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Did anyone else try out and use Yammer for awhile and then ultimately switch away from it or off it it in favor of another tool or just back to email?


We've been using it at our company since sometime around September with anywhere from 80-100 employees. Despite my efforts to get sales staff engaged in the product, they haven't picked it up because it isn't intuitive enough nor does it work similarly enough to Facebook (despite the visual rip) for them to be comfortable with it. I've had continued issues with the UX (enter posts instead of creating a line break, can't edit posts or replies, no way to organize posts by chronological order only instead of whichever post has the latest response, showing when private groups are created on the public wall, the way it deals with files/attachments, users not understanding how to stop receiving the sludge of email notifications it sends by default -- not to mention how it doesn't strip email signatures when you reply that way -- and lots of other things) on top of some gnarly early-2000s-esque UI. The product just looks and feels broken and I've been interested in seeing how larger organizations use it because (and I think I've posted this sentiment on HN before) there's got to be tools out there that are better put-together and user-friendly (Jive, et al?). As such, our staff still relies on email, document servers and our internal CRM.


Yes, a number of people at my company (with about 1000 people in it) tried to spread usage of it, but it only stuck with about < dozen people. Communicating through status messages doesn't really seem to give enough detail to anyone who needs to know.


I'm not sure what you mean by communicating through "status messages". It doesn't seem like a good way to operate. Posts are not limited in the same way as Twitter messages. You can add various attachments, and create messages longer than 140 characters. In most companies email is the dominant form of communication and other tools (including discussion boards etc.) just don't get uptake because people drop back to email.

In very big companies (> 20k) there is more of a need for a tool that that can connect people in different "silos". I've seen how Yammer has helped people in this type of organisation.


Yep, we tried it and switched away from it because it simply didn't work; some messages failed to get through and it didn't seem to click with the team at all. I can't fathom what about it could be worth over a billion dollars.


We used it when I worked for TechCrunch (way back when). It's perfect for that setting: lots of writers, coordinating coverage, sharing interesting bits of information that you're not exactly sure who will find interesting. Etc.

It's not a good tool when it gets bastardized into a product management/planning/feature request tool. As a developer for them I was keenly aware of this flaw.

I've tried it in other contexts since leaving and it hasn't been a fit. Prefer HipChat/Trello.


I've always loved the concept but found the products so crappy (visually and UX) that I can't keep in the routine of using them.


Used it in last company, a good excuse to fool employees to stay away from Facebook yet use something similar at workplace.


A company I used to work for used it. I found the client to be really horrendous. It was written in some sort of god-awful Adobe Air thing that used 100% CPU constantly while it ran. Just awful, I can't comprehend why anyone would use a terrible bloated architecture like Air to create what should be a simple lightweight chat system. And the chat program itself had no advantages over any other chat system.

Maybe I just didn't "get it".


I've never known anybody to use the native client. The web interface works well enough.


Creation (via this studios play) and distribution (via Prime) are making Amazon well positioned in the content wars.


Incorporated a newco this year (webvio.com) which is the first new entity in awhile. Its a labs project with our first launch of todayskicks.com so far.


You should do something to make links stand out imo.


The issue with this method is that it assumes that the investor model has to change too. VC's will attempt to have the right ownership over the lifetime of an investment eventually getting to around 20%. Some want 20% right away. The problem with granting so much equity to employees makes the rounds of funding required later difficult to match this ownership target.

Investors want founders with meaningful ownership of the business, a syndicate that owns enough to care, and employees happy too. That is where the model is driven from, and would require a change at the investor level for this to work.

Assuming 2 investors (40%) 2 founders (40%) that leaves only 20% remaining which does not fit the proposed changes.


In 1999 I worked for a startup and was about to go to college. I was asked by the CEO to drop out of school and get a huge salary - I opted not to take the option and go to school instead. Turned out to be the right choice as they were out of business 6 mos. later.


Hm. Going to school 6 months later, with a wad of cash in your pocket, would have been a bad idea?


Missing the first week of first year is a bad idea. 80% of college is meeting new friends. Initiation week (frosh?) is pretty awesome experience you will never get again. Money alone isn't everything.


Agreed. I'd rather wait another term than missing the first few weeks.


Hmm.. Maybe if you had worked for them, they would have succeeded!


This is great. I had a feeling what it would do from the description and the name and it lived out to that promise. I think its a great start for a "weekend" project and would love to see where it goes and give some product feedback if you are up for it. Will try to contact you directly.


Hey, thanks so much! We had a personal need for a product like this, and we thought others would too. I'm glad you're finding it to be useful. :)


I think it would have been great if they allowed pre-orders 5 years ago too. I could have sworn I heard of this happening but perhaps not.



Amazing - thank you!


I was thinking that it will be a Beatles announcement too. It seems like nobody will care, but at this point it has been scrutinized by so many folks that it has become a bigger deal.


It's definitely a stretch, but did anyone else notice the similarities between the apple teaser page and the beatles help album cover?


This is actually quite nice because it allows permalinks to the lightbox items. This makes for a rough browsing experience if you need to go back, but I like the detail that lets you link somewhere that someone can actually find in the future vs. "go to this page, then click here, etc...."


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I am on the BD team so please excuse my lack of technical info but here is the description for the server side engineer:

Reqs: BS or MS in Computer Science or related field preferred 5+ years experience building products for fast growing web or mobile products Strong Java experience or, even better, experience and/or interest in Scala Comfortable with AJAX based websites, JavaScript and jQuery Comfortable in a small, intense and high-growth start-up environment

I can tell you that we are heavily engineering group, but also looking for Product Managers, Community folks, and client developers (iPhone etc)

Its a great place to work and we are solving some exciting problems in the location space.


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