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Weird to assume that anyone is more upset with Google than ICE about this when nobody said anything to that effect.

Weird to decide that you have to choose to be mad at one party or the other, and that getting mad at one party somehow indicates that you are less mad at the other party.

Weird to make this comment in response to perfectly valid criticism of Google by the EFF.


Fair, but we all have a limited outrage budget. Getting mad at Google for not disclosing when they may not have legally been able to is not for me.

Donating ill-gotten gains does not legitimize them. This isn't a confusing concept...

Also, it's cryptocurrency. There is literally no burden to prove that this money was donated, or what "charity" even means in this context.


This is how authoritarians speak. Rules only matter when they make sense. An authoritarian never cares about that, and insists on a strict interpretation of the rules, well beyond reason.

A 3-minute limit is sensible. Hauling someone off to jail because they spoke for a few seconds too long is tyrannical.

You should want better out of the society you live in. Even if you disagree with this farmer, ask yourself if he would have seen the same consequences if he went over the limit speaking in support of this Datacenter (spoiler: of course he wouldn't have).

Do you really want to live in a world where people are creatively charged with trespassing, not because of actual malicious action, but because they said something that the powers that be didn't like?


Look, the article is right there, and what it says doesn't match what you're saying. Sure, they arrested him for "trespassing", but their definition of trespassing was going over his allotted time by a matter of seconds.

They did not ask him to leave, and he refused. They counted down the seconds he had the floor, and ordered his arrest the moment he went over the allotted time.

I don't know if you've ever been to a Town Hall before, but this is absolutely ridiculous. When you go over your time, you can either ask for more time or be told that you are done.

You shouldn't be arrested unless you intentionally refuse to conclude your time, or if you create a disruption. He did neither.

They arrested him because they didn't like what he had to say, and they want to send a harsh message to anyone else who dares speak out against Datacenters.

This is an egregious violation of First Amendment rights.


If you google "Darren Blanchard activist", the screen lights up, TV, newspapers, etc. So, not his first time on the dance floor.

I'm not going to address whether what happened was completely right, or the merits of the underlying discussion. But this is not a case of a poor dirt farmer shocked at being arrested. I'd be very surprised myself if he didn't at least think that was a possible outcome (and would not presume to suggest that it was intended in any way whatsoever, obviously being arrested would be detrimental to his cause!).


The article wants a login, so I found a different one: https://www.newson6.com/tulsa-oklahoma-news/arrest-made-duri...

According to that article, he went over time, left the podium, had some words with the council and police, then was handcuffed and escorted out.

The police say that he was asked to leave by the council and refused. Then he was asked to leave by the police and also refused. At that point he was arrested for trespassing. I see no reason to doubt this version of events.

Asking him to leave sounds like an overstep, depending on what he said to them. But if it happened as that article described, it's probably not a First Amendment issue, definitely not an egregious violation.

I apologize for doing independent research on the topic. In the future I'll be sure to stick to the bits of the linked article that I can see.


You're taking the article as gospel. Is there any video for the lead up to the arrest?

There was a reddit post with this video, and the poster claimed that he refused to leave the podium after his time was up. Not saying that is true, but it sounds different than "spoke a few seconds too long"

https://www.reddit.com/r/ObscurePatentDangers/comments/1shsu...


Even if that's the case, why not just cut the mic and have security escort him away? Why jump straight to sending the cops to arrest and jail him?

It's abundantly clear that these things happen not because people were so disruptive that it was necessary. It is that they are saying things the government doesn't like, so they use the only tool they have as strictly as they are allowed to in an attempt to discourage people from speaking out in the first place.

At least this is triggering the Streisand Effect, and now this farmer is getting interviews on the news, not only about the Datacenter, but how the local government treats those who speak out against it.


In the video - 1h58m mark roughly - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xLPF3rTT0mY

It shows the full context. Yes, he went over his time, he talked over requests to stop, and then approached the front area. He was asked to leave the area, did not, and so the behavior was halted in favor of pre-established rules.

Yes, I’m in favor of free speech, and think more time should be allotted, but does his direct use of extra time impact those who will then not get to speak?

It’s the lines in the sand that are the hardest to draw.


You're lying about what your own link says. The poster did not claim that Blanchard refused to leave the podium; the poster wrote "with *officials* claiming he refused to leave the podium after his three-minute speaking time ended". The poster is sympathetic to Blanchard, which no one would know just by reading your grossly dishonest comment.

This is quite the melodramatic post.

I wasn't even trying to make any claims about the statement because I have no idea if the poster was even there. My mere point was that "there may be more to the story than what was posted on the 404 link".

And now someone posted the full video so you can just watch that and not need to rely on "grossly dishonest" posts.


It was an honest post, unlike "I wasn't even trying to make any claims about the statement"--you DID make a claim about it--a false claim, as I pointed out.

"My mere point"

Again lying.

"not need to rely on "grossly dishonest" posts"

Talk about melodramatic ... I wasn't relying on your post.

The video shows that many people made unwarranted assumptions. That doesn't excuse you flat-out lying about what your link said.

I won't respond further on this dead post.


I am so sorry for saying the poster claimed instead of saying the poster claimed that the officials claimed that something happened. I hope to one day regain your trust.

Why "gospel"? Why not "at face value"? What is the purpose of portraying a perfectly normal interpretation as irrational? There's nothing wrong with assuming a writeup is factually true until proven otherwise. We couldn't even speak to each other if that weren't the case.

Because the original claim was extraordinary it required extraordinary evidence.

There's usually a two-second delay between a light turning red and the next light turning green, just as a simple safety precaution. No driver is perfect, and red lights get run through accidentally all the time.

While running the red light is still dangerous, running it as soon as it turns red is unlikely to cause an accident. It's still ticketable, and if a cop sees it happen, they should make a stop and issue a ticket.

If you are distracted, or time the yellow light badly, and you have to make a decision on whether to lay on the horn and run the red light as soon as it changes, or slam your brakes and try to avoid running through the intersection, you're already in a position where you're going to have to commit a moving violation, and you don't need the threat of automatic monetary penalties guiding your judgement on which move to make.

There are situations where slamming the brakes creates a more serious hazard than running the red light, but the red light cameras only ticket you for running the red light. Why create an artificial preference for one hazard over the other, rather than trust the driver to drive defensively in these situations?

The cameras don't even need to go away; they just need a human in the loop to apply these tickets rationally. Maybe don't ticket the driver who barely missed yellow, but do ticket the driver who blew through the red with zero regard for the rules. Make sure these rules are understood by drivers, so that they don't fear automatic enforcement more than they do bodily harm to themselves and others, but still think twice about ignoring the rules of the road.


I don't own a car, but I still walk on the sidewalks, and these cameras can still see my face. Or do I also need to accept the reduced privacy imposed on motorists when I step outside my front door facing a road?

Why would child pornography laws have anything to do with someone pretending to be under-18?

That's distasteful, sure, but objectively, people over-18 are not children.

Basic recordkeeping laws should make it easy to ensure that everyone involved is of age, even if they're sucking on a pacifier, wearing a diaper, and saying "goo goo ga ga".


> have anything to do with someone pretending to be under-18?

CP statutes also deal with "simulations" of underage participants.


No, but if those VCs let their AI agents purchase things on their behalf, you could maybe trick those agents into thinking your cloud service was the better option.

I urge you to actually read the article, because it doesn't say anything about the risks of the LLM knowing your password (e.g., stored in server-side logs), it talks about LLMs generating predicatable passwords because they are deterministic pattern-following machines.

While the loss of secrecy between you and the LLM provider is a legitimate risk, the point of the article was that you should only use vetted RNGs to generate passwords, because LLMs will frequently generate identical secure-looking passwords when asked to do so repeatedly, meaning that all a bad actor has to do is collect the most frequent ones and go hunting.

The loss of secrecy between you and the LLM only poses a risk if the LLM logs are compromised, exposing your generated passwords. The harvesting of commonly-generated passwords from LLMs poses a much broader attack surface for anyone who uses this method, because any attacker with access to publicly available LLMs can start mining commonly generated passwords and using them today without having to compromise anything first.


You're right; I could have phrased the issue better, though I certainly did read the article. Let me try again: letting someone else pick a password for you requires you to trust that they did it well, and you get no benefit in exchange for that trust. That's true for other humans, websites, and now LLMs.

I mean, people are still rotating <month><year> passwords because they refuse to remember anything. I only know this, because I am in a customer-facing position, and these customers rarely care about revealing their passwords when they need help...

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