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Very interesting. I drank mate with friends from Buenos Aires when I was a teen. We would drink it the traditional way, namely out of a small dried gourd with a metal straw. Are you saying that mate (pronounced mah-teh like a southerner saying "my tea" fwiw -- not an Australian addressing a friend) is not commercialized in Argentina? As in, people offer their personal mate and there are not "mate shops" that would equate to "coffee shops"(think third wave USA)? Or that they prefer Mate to coffee, hence there are no "coffee shops" while there may or may not be "mate shops"?

I guess I like the idea that mate is so personal than you wouldn't go to a commercial shop for their blendbut ratherwould share your homebrew with a friend on a park bench.


Mendocino here (live in the US but visit Mendoza every few years). There are plenty of places one can go for coffee, but American-style coffee shops are not nearly as popular. Mate shops aren't a thing, but it isn't homebrew in the sense that people don't grow their favorite varieties of yerba mate plants in the back yard. You get a bag of yerba at the supermarket, have a thermos with hot water, and a gourd & bombilla. People drink it with friends, but, like coffee, it's also something they drink throughout the day by themselves while working, studying, etc.


Is there anything akinto different flavours? Or brand differences?

Is it like people and cigarettes? Like Brand X is your brand ornate and you'd rather die than have to drink brand Y?

Is there such a thing like a sommelier for mate? Maybe like wine: "I detect notes of lavender...."

This is incredibly interesting!


> something they drink throughout the day

Do people there consider the downsides of using stimulants all day long?

Not that most people elsewhere give it any thought, I'm just curious.


Having lived in Argentina, I can confirm that this is indeed the case! There is also a version called terere in which cold fruit juice is substituted for hot water.


Unless, you know. Fog. But there's never fog... in... SanFra....


is a lidar affected by fog ?


Lidar is hugely affected by fog and other water phenomena (rain, snow, etc.). We’ll need different imaging technology for foggy/wet/snowy places.

Arizona is a much more reliable location for these systems in large part because it’s so dry.


goophabet?


Alphoogle™


Bless you


Zuckerberg seems confident he doesn't need to really give a crap. FB will be fine either way. Why bother? He's got better things to do with his time.


IMHO, it's bluff. There's evidence to suggest that that a frank discussion would be an extreme liability for him, and for facebook.

Here's a lengthy timeline of his many publicly verified interactions with Putin's lackeys, and the financial support they have provided facebook:

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/85p30j/deleteface...


Or is it more likely that he's counting on having his eggs in more baskets than just the Facebook one? I don't think he doesn't give a crap because he thinks Facebook is invincible.


Will it be fine? Stock market shaved 10 percent of it's market cap on this. I suppose if you're a $500bn or $450bn company you'll be fine either way... But this is only a week... So time will tell how far the negative press goes with this... And ultimately how many of it's 2bn users actually care.


If intelligence/sentience isn't magic for you, then consider existence. How strange it is to be anything at all.


Yes, indeed, but that's philosophy at its best. Thinking about nothing or everything. Zero and/or infinite complexity.

No predictive power whatsoever.

Also, I'm amazed by consciousness, by reasoning, by our cognition, by intelligence, how we apply it, day-to-day, from pure math to messy, but useful engineering, through the ugliness of realpolitik, and the beautiful and dreadful human tangle that our civilization is. The contrasts, the why-s. (Consider the so stark difference between US and Mexico especially the border towns, which is of course deceiving, as the problems don't stop at the border, the cities, states, nations are connected. The warring cartels, the corruption, the hopeless have-nots, the dealers, the addicts, the war on drugs/terror/smuggling/slavery/yaddayadda, the DEA, ATF, their foreign counterparts, the policy going against the market, the hard on crime ideology, the big data vs gerrymandering case just on the Supreme Court's plate, the pure math and reasoning behind all that again, are all connected, just harder to frame them in a "deep" picture.)

But so far, none involves any actual irreducible complexity. No magical formula, just layers upon layers of complexity and fine-tuning.


And here I am like: "If the taste makers leave, I will leave."

jk I've never Facebooked.


While the criticism directed at social media is certainly warranted. I feel compelled to take exception with your reliance on false equivalence. It's kinda qualitatively different when you're actively engaging in illegal activity while working hand in glove with a clandestine foreign intelligence service to undermine your own countries democratic elections on behalf of an adversarial foreign nation state. If you can't see the difference, then keep at it. I assure you it's there. But if you already know that then you go ahead and keep explaining to folks how apples and oranges are the same things because they're both round fruit.


> undermine your own countries democratic elections on behalf of an adversarial foreign nation state

Citation needed.



Not really, it's common knowledge. There are a pile of dead Russians ex-IC people all over Europe, the existing Mueller indictments, the Crowdstrike DNC Russian APT attributions, all of our own lying eyes...


Funny, I must have missed the Mueller indictments relating to collusion or coordination of any kind (it's coming any day now, though, right?). I've seen a number of process charges. I've seen a handful of Russians charged with, essentially, social media ads and trolling and setting up a Michael Moore rally in NYC. And, of course, Manafort, who is dirty AF (right up there with the Podestas, the Clintons and the rest), but nothing relating to the Trump campaign. And if dead men do tell tales, as you seem to imply, I would think Seth Rich would have quite a story indeed.


>"Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past."

-Jean Paul-Sartre


> And, of course, Manafort, who is dirty AF (right up there with the Podestas, the Clintons and the rest), but nothing relating to the Trump campaign.

Manafort served as Trump's Campaign manager from June 2016 to August 2016, but I guess that has nothing to do with Trump's Campaign.

Created an account to attempt to derail this conversation into being about Seth Rich and Hillary Clinton. lol.


But your opponent is correct. Manafort indictment is about laundering money he made in Ukraine before 2014. It really has nothing to do with him being a campaign manager in 2016. Moreover, I bet this activities as a campaign manager were examined under microscope, and nothing shady was found, otherwise he would be indicted.

Lets stay rational and stick to facts.


> Lets stay rational and stick to facts.

Sure, let's do that:

1) George Papadopoulos pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI.

2) Michael Flynn pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI.

3) Paul Manafort was indicted on conspiracy, money laundering, false statements, and failure to disclose foreign assets, not just money laundering.

4) Rick Gates similar to Manafort, but has taken a plea deal.

5) 13 Russian nationals and 3 Russian companies indicted on conspiracy charges and identity theft.

6) Richard Pinedo pleaded guilty to an identity theft charge in connection with the Russian indictments, and is cooperating.

7) Alex van der Zwaan pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about his connections to Rick Gates.


And let's remember they are not 13 random Russians, either.


Perjury != collusion or treason.


Both of those are specific legal definitions. Could you please elaborate on what your point is?

We can only speculate, but if you lie to the FBI, I would assume it's very likely that you have something to hide. Whether those plea deals led further down the rabbit hole to people who were guilty of further crimes we don't know. Maybe a few of them were on that list. Maybe some will get revealed later. I'm hopeful we will uncover the truth in time.


>I bet...

>stick to facts

okay.

FACT: You bet Manafort isn't a traitor.

Bob Mueller would appear to have a different opinion.

https://www.justice.gov/file/1038391/download

Guess who my money is on.


The one without something to prove?


Manafort was just a covfefe boy.


You created an account just to tell me that?

@dang, sir, I think you have a problem. Don't let HN be used as a platform to spread disinformation. Emerdata is starting up as speak.


I didn't believe it at first. There's no running from this war.


Throw in a couple jet ski style tow ropes and you're golden.


So it goes.


Fallacy: whataboutism.


Fallacy: metawhataboutism

metawhataboutism: when hypocrisy is pointed out scream "whataboutism". It sounds like a fancy term and shuts down the other side pretty well.


I don't think this was whataboutism... The previous comment made a claim and he showed concrete evidence going against that claim.


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