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I worked in an office below them for a few years. They seemed nice, thoughtful, ambitious, and hard-working, much like most folks I've met who choose to work at startups.

I feel sad to see any startup shut down since I know so many people like them; hell, that could easily have been me. I also feel sad to see the commenters here dance on their graves. I would prefer to celebrate the fact that they lived and battled for 10+ years, much longer than most startups. Kudos to them.


Whether we like it or not, Facebook is as much a part of the web ecosystem as Google. Instead of trying to fight it, just embrace it.


Instead of trying to fight it, just embrace it.

Why? Facebook provides no value to me; if Facebook disappeared from the face of the earth tomorrow, my life would change in absolutely no way.

No need to embrace it.


There's a difference between a symbiote and a parasite in an ecosystem.


Fair enough, but what problem does Twitter solve?


- building profile and spreading word about own business/products is harder without it

- longer-format writing (blogging) takes too long and can be too much of a commitment

- Facebook is a walled-garden and (at the time?) wasn't as suited to businesses



It's happening in Palo Alto, CA.


This isn't equivalent to Twitter at all. SMSGupShup is a groups platform built on SMS.


"The solution isn't to identify users. That would be too intrusive." - Tara Ploughman

The irony is delicious :)


Not really ironic... both his statements and actions are against identifying people.

- Ron Tackle


Sam, congrats on getting techcrunched! Can you share with us your marketing/outreach efforts and how you got them to write about you in such an early stage of the product?

Thanks!


I think it's the same as they wrote about likaholix.com , which is by ex-googlers, and stills at too early stage, too!


What exactly about this makes it the most surprising thing you've seen in two months?


Being able to watch how I write. It's like seeing a photograph of oneself for the first time. I had no idea how often I restarted sentences, for example.

There's other stuff I want to see that should be even more interesting. When it's replaying, I want to be able to see characters that make it into the final version in one color, and others in another. Then I'll be able to tell when I'm writing well and when I'm writing badly.


Good for Etherpad. Features that enable narcissism often do very well. :)

However, I have to admit that I think such playback would make me a better writer.


I agree, I'm an obsessive editor and usually make multiple revisions to comments I leave on various blogs, HN, forums, etc. I should probably get in the habit of writing in a doc first, but I don't really feel like putting in the extra step for stuff that's usually rather trivial. If I was an active blogger, I would likely try to use this tool on a regular basis and link to it at the end of every post.

Thanks for sharing, very awesome to watch. My only request would be the ability to adjust the playback speed.


I tend to frequently restart sentences as well. I have found that pushing myself to quickly get an extremely rough draft down makes me more efficient. This rough draft helps me focus my thoughts in the beginning on what I want to say. I can come back later and change how I say it.

If I don't do this--and I frequently don't--I find my output grinds to a halt with my brain both creating and editing sentences at the same time.

What are your thoughts on this?


I do something similar; get a first draft out quickly so I'm not inhibited by grammar, sentence structure, logical flow etc.. then perform a second parse to tighten everything up. Interestingly, I sometimes find I almost completely reverse the passage I've written! It's as if my brain performs some sort of initial stackdump to convey my thoughts.


  There's other stuff I want to see that should be even more 
  interesting. When it's replaying, I want to be able to see 
  characters that make it into the final version in one 
  color, and others in another. Then I'll be able to tell 
  when I'm writing well and when I'm writing badly.
How about coloring text based on their age in the work? That is, characters added in the last edit are bright blue (or green), and as they age without changing, they fade to black. That would be extremely cool to watch.


Was it Ian Fleming that said you should never start writing a sentence unless you know how it's going to end? It seems we're now in an age where sentences are started without knowing how they're going to start.


I really like this evolutionary-way of writing. Small little improvements and changes until it sounds better and fits better to the rest of the paragraph/text/code. I found out that if i am disciplined enough when writing code this way the result is much much better. When i was working in corporate world there was always some distraction (boss, time constraints , ...) to break this flow resulting in not so good code.


How about a karma marketplace?

1. Upvoting costs an amount of karma points proportional to the number of points the article has at that time. Hence, it costs more to upvote an article on the home page than it costs to upvote an article in the New section.

2. If I choose to spend karma by voting on an article and it starts to rise, I get proportional "returns" on my karma.

This incentivizes me to upvote New articles I think HN will like. But then again if I lose all my karma points, I might need a bailout.


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