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You have a moral duty to report your employer for this. Frankly it should be treated the same as treason.


> it should be treated the same as treason

No, it shouldn’t. Treason has a specific meaning.


Treason is a strong word. It is a knowingly detrimental action against American workers and companies to dodge requirements for hiring skilled foreign workers.

The focus and the main point remains: It's unethical, it's illegal, and I wish punishment on the companies and the individuals who fraudulently scam American workers out of jobs.


stoph1b.com, we have a sub lets organize.


Treason isn't even a legal concept. Who cares about any given meaning without that? If it strikes you as treason, that's as good a reason to call it treason as any.

Personally, I think there's lots of treason that pervades our life. Hell you could argue the meaning of "national interest" used by our state department is itself treasonous.

Any definition of the word will come down to what you perceive as in our interests. For easy examples, see Snowden and Manning.



Sorry, perhaps I should have said "not a well-defined legal concept", or else we would surely all be enemies of the state.


It’s anti-American behavior against a person in America as opposed to against the nation specifically. An attack on one is an attack on us all.


Lots of things are anti-American behavior.

Most of those things aren't joining up with a foreign adversary with whom we're officially at war.

Even things that are treasonous in a colloquial sense are still pretty narrow, and tend to refer to other specific forms of betraying your country, that just happen to be other crimes -- like espionage, or insurrection.


I think it is anti-American to discriminate on the basis of origin. Where you are from has no bearing on many if not most jobs. I may not be making the point you think I’m making, I’m making a nuanced point that we have a duty to report treason, and we have a duty to report whatever it is when you have an ongoing state of affairs in which there exists a stated or effective policy of only (or never) hiring a certain group of people.


Is it anti American to favor Americans for jobs?


I’m not sure, can you make an argument for why it should be?


> Most of those things aren't joining up with a foreign adversary with whom we're officially at war.

Adversary to the people, or the state? These are wildly different concepts. Just because my state has beef with China doesn't mean they can't convince me that my life is better with China in it. Sometimes states just misrepresent the people.


Right, but in the same vein, the British crown has a documented history of applying that label to dissidents. It was part of why were revolted in the first place.

Our definition for what constitutes treason is purposely narrow specifically due to the abuse potential.


It’s just the free market. It it with a big spoon, you asked for it


Free market isn’t a pass to do illegal things. There are many free market things that are illegal. Some would even be considered treasonous.


Report what? They say everything verbally in a closed office. There is no paper trail. Even if there was, the entire industry and current administration are in complete alignment on this issue. They want to reduce labor costs.


> What's one to do then?

GP gives a hint:

> You haven't changed your behaviour at all.

TLP[1] said it best:

> There you go again, thinking about yourself. Your impulse wasn't to say, "am I doing this to my kids?" or "how will I act differently?" It was to wonder about your own nature.

1: https://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/10/the_story_of_narciss...


Worthy of note, TLP did often harp on the fact that his view of 'narcissism' as a cultural phenomenon (I think he called it a "generational pathology") is NOT the same as the DSM definition. People are fooled into thinking every narcissist is the person with a self-inflated ego (I inferred the same from the OP, "Some of them are good enough to fool Jersey Shore candidates, while others can reach high executive positions and, in some cases, potentially win a presidential election..."). But TLP's definition was closer to someone who is completely focused on controlling others' perception of them. This could include a person who projects himself as a meek victim, but hyper-focused on relaying that image to others.

Although, this does fit quite well too: "I don't want to be with someone who doesn't care to drink tap water."

Anyway, not saying you said it was the same as the DSM definition, just adding some perspective since I read a lot of TLP and naturally compared what I read in the OP to what I remember from TLP's blog.


Interesting story. Here is a video version of the story https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6xPGriEDIM


Check out the "Firefox Doom Party" screen shots: http://toastytech.com/doom/ffdoompics.html


But most of those screenshots are from Blood!


Something similar happened to Sega's Shining Force for iOS. I paid $1.99 for it around 2013 or 2014 and it was great. Shining Force is one of my favorite games for the Sega Genesis and it's perfect for on the go mobile since it's a turn based strategy game. I hadn't played it in a couple of years and got an itch about a month ago so I loaded it up with much anticipation. Turns out sometime last year (or late 2017?) Sega had updated it to include ads and in the process wiped all saved games for all users. Now there is a premium upgrade to remove ads which, from what I can gather from the reviews, doesn't actually remove all of the ads, just some of them. Oh and you can't play without an Internet connection now since all save games are stored off device on Sega's servers. I don't ever leave reviews for apps, but I was so angry I had to vent somewhere. This kind of shit is absolutely unacceptable garbage and everyone involved in the process that led up to it happening should be ashamed. At least I'm not out $30 though. Yikes.


Same thing happpened with Streets of Rage And Columns. I won't buy any Sega game anymore.


It does! Even though, Martin Richards' homepage [0] hasn't been updated in a while you can try it out with a small amount of fuss [1].

0: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mr10/

1: https://gist.github.com/seaneshbaugh/e09abd748ccc07c5463f253....


> I don't remember the Buddha being big on conversation.

He did seem to nod silently a lot, but I'm not so sure if he was against conversation per se. Rather, he wasn't big on conversation that served no good purpose.

> "There are these ten topics of [proper] conversation. Which ten? Talk on modesty, on contentment, on seclusion, on non-entanglement, on arousing persistence, on virtue, on concentration, on discernment, on release, and on the knowledge & vision of release. These are the ten topics of conversation. If you were to engage repeatedly in these ten topics of conversation, you would outshine even the sun & moon, so mighty, so powerful — to say nothing of the wanderers of other sects." - AN 10.69



It makes sense to me: when measuring stuff like you would in a lab use metric, when measuring stuff like you would in a kitchen use imperial. I think it only seems weird because we rarely do both in the same sentence.


This http://slatestarcodex.com/2017/11/09/ars-longa-vita-brevis/ might be relevant to your interests.


> So you are admitting you are bad about making decisions about people? Luckily you have something empirical because you are no good at judging someone.

This is almost entirely the point of take home assignments. In fact, this is almost word for word what my response would be to anyone who doesn't like take home assignments!

> Thanks for admitting that, the first step is accepting you are no good at evaluating people.

Step two is admitting that, in general, evaluating people using non-empirical means is an enterprise fraught with peril.


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