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a non popular theory: the more people become civilized (not using the traditional meaning) the less basic / animal they become. Animal are programmed to follow one goal : replicating one genes. Some (few) human manage to follow more elaborate (and less selfish) goals than replicating their genes.

the debates is rich= bad, poor = good. The idea that they are all mediocre isn't popular on the left since it's a left dogma (and the reason why either the right always win or the left always loose).


Taking into account our mediocre human nature, I wonder how much is actually true in what we say and believe (but can't even count on (human) statistic to answer that one, can't wait for AGI)


wéro (é like elephant)


For many people "terrorists" are the one bombing and invading, which means that Iran is currently victim of terrorism.


to be fair, I bet more human knows that USA is much more dangerous to the world "order" than Iran having a nuclear weapon (Pakistan and even Israel has it, so why not Iran and Mozambic too?)


> so why not Iran and Mozambic too?

Iran funds terrorism and conflict that impacts nearly every Muslim country around them and also in US, europe, canada, australia etc

If you want to build a bomb for sovereignty's sake, don't become an international pariah that openly and explicitly attacks wealthier and democratic world powers while you're doing it.

Iran's has demonstrated some of the worst strategic planning over the past two decades. Their economic planning has been just as bad


Iranian child marriages do not reframe

Israel too to be fair "They're 15, Married With Children: Inside an Israeli Hasidic Cult's Code of Silence" (the gov and the population knows it, but it's ok) : https://archive.is/v9Amc#selection-699.0-699.83


I'm not seeing where they rent out their children via temporarily marriages as the Shia mullahs in Iran have given religious sanction/approval/doctrine of or like the similar behaviors highlighted in the Epstein files. Can you help me find that bit that relates to what I was speaking to?

That said allowing child brides is horrific, I agree. Especially when it seems to be accepted by the highest levels of a religion or even worse when it's practiced by a religions leaders.


The Israeli government gives implicit immunity to pedophiles by refusing to compile a state-funded sexual abuse registry, and their leadership (eg. Netanyahu) blocks investigation of credible rape accusations. I would be careful pointing towards Israel as a moral high ground in this discussion.

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/tens-of-thousands-of-pedop...

https://apnews.com/article/israel-gaza-war-palestinians-pris...


Where did I point towards Israel as a moral high ground? Israel was randomly injected in a discussion about Epstein/Iranian leadership government/religious leadership. Israel doesn't even come into this discussion about not Israel, and wasn't brought in as a moral point by me.

I agreed it is immoral when such actions occur, and is especially immoral/heinous when religious groups/religious figures are involved in sanctifying/justifying child marriage. I think we both agree a religious group looses it's legitimacy when it engages in defending such behavior just because it was/is done by the religious groups members/leaders and the they claim 'it's actually ok because...' trying to justify such horrific behavior.

The closest I come is in trying to understand Israel's relevance to my point and the discussion. There are many many countries that can and should be called out, but they aren't relevant to a discussion about Trump/Epstein/Iran. "I'm not seeing where they rent out their children via temporarily marriages as the Shia mullahs in Iran have given religious sanction/approval/doctrine of or like the similar behaviors highlighted in the Epstein files. Can you help me find that bit that relates to what I was speaking to?"


> Israel was randomly injected in a discussion about Epstein/Iranian leadership

Israel is not a non-sequitur in the discussion of the Epstein files or attacks on Iranian leadership.


"both sides are horrific" is convenient, but only one keep invading and bombing others since decades


But it feels (and smell) like a third world culture if you look at the air pollution level during 6 to 8 month a year (https://maps.sensor.community/#7/52.210/18.223): nearly everywhere people burn coal (among other biomass) the air is incredibly polluted.


Someone has to do it, and it should be seen as a great service to society and rewarded accordingly

You are just too priviledge to understand people: many people would be glad do do it for the minimum wage, I would fight to have that oportunity (I live in west EU).


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