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Yes, they're the one product now. We didn't want divergent products for similar use cases. One feature we think is neat is you can mix-and-match standalone accounts (where the seller uses a regular Stripe account) and managed accounts (where the seller never goes to Stripe).


Is this a change in price for $0.25 per transfer, to 0.5% per transfer? I guess there's additional value-add from tax management.


Yeah, the $0.25 transfer fee is going away. We didn't want to penalize platforms for transferring earnings to their sellers more frequently.


If you're paying out on a $10,000 job, the fee is going from $0.25 to $50.00? Is there a way to keep the flat-fee pricing?


I'd love to use managed accounts to white label my onboarding, but I don't think my users will be able to absorb the 0.5% and our margins are far too low to do it for them. I don't really need control over the transfer schedule, is there any way to get the white label benefits without the cost? Or is standalone my only option for now?


In our defense, they keep adding new EU countries. But no, we're not in all of them yet. We're in 13 EU countries, Norway, and Switzerland: https://stripe.com/global


> In our defense, they keep adding new EU countries.

Best progress response I've seen.


If it helps, they seem to also be on the brink of losing some. Congrats on the launch!


Pluses: Stripe increases EU coverage

Minuses: global financial earthquake

Hmmm.... :)


Not really adding any new ones for quite some time now.

I've quickly developed a page to view the progress: http://0xff.lt/stripe-spread.html

Still more than 50% of EU left. And Switzerland does not seem to be moving anywhere, hehe.


Nice colours. Keep those paintbrushes handy! We're on it...


You have two options: you can have sellers link a Stripe account (and we'll do all the downstream work, like collecting their bank account info and verifying their identity). Or you can create a managed account via API, where the seller does everything from within your app and never needs to go to Stripe.


Can you do the following (in this order): 'Provision' a standalone account with just an email address (with zero work by the account holder to-be) > Initiate a charge (to a buyer) that will ultimately be paid out to that standalone account > Have the seller setup their standalone account (so it's then capable of receiving funds)

I'm trying to figure the work flow that has the least toing and froing for both parties.



Brilliant!


Also of note:

Setting up managed accounts, including international accounts, ID verification, and 1099-Ks, costs just 0.5% of funds paid out.

Transfers to standalone accounts are free.


Is there any plan to offer some kind of in-between option where the seller links their stripe account, but the application is "sandboxed" in a way that prevents the user for creating, updating and deleting resources like cards, customers,etc? I like the idea of users linking their own accounts, and Stripe taking control of the identity verification, etc, but I don't like keeping all my data in sync with stripe via web hooks.


Update: Works for me when I log out of Stripe. Nevermind.

The managed account page appears to be down: https://stripe.com/docs/connect/managed-accounts


Doesn't appear down for me.


We're not marking up the exchange rate. 0.5% is the only fee.


Awesome work! I've been trying to push bitcoin at our company as a form of payment, we use Stripe already, so this will make it easier.


Inherent to Stripe processing BTC is the fact that you are now a foreign exchange broker. Here's a small sample of why you're going to have to do a lot better than "we only charge 0.5%" to convince me that adding FX risk into my payment processing stack is a good idea:

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-11-12/banks-manip...

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-02-09/banks-will-...

And that's just from the last three months, in an arena that is already heavily regulated by the SEC.


Hm? As a business selling with Stripe, you won't be taking any FX risk. You request $20, and you receive $20 - 0.5%.

I am a huge fan of Matt Levine's work, but the articles you reference are about banks who participate in the FX markets, which is... different.

(Relevant disclosure: I work at Stripe.)


Marking it up from what? There isn't really a canonical exchange rate.


The "Open Wallet" link has a bitcoin URI. If you have a wallet installed, it'll pop open that wallet. More here: https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0021.mediawi...

Stripe doesn't have a Bitcoin wallet for consumers.


That's right. We only fire the webhook in case you want to, say, update the expiry or last four digits you're rendering to your user.


Pricing neutrality is hard to enforce and can lead to price inflation (c.f. interchange), but we'd be game for something along these lines. Part of Stripe's raison d'être is making pretty advanced payment infrastructure — only available prior to those with considerable means and past experience — available to anyone. We're obviously not there yet (witness the limited number of countries, payouts only being available in the US for now) but that's where we're trying to get to.


Don't know why this isn't higher up, it shows a consistent position on these matters, and displays a pretty mature context to the original post that set up the comparison. The question was an honest one, and as someone mentioned earlier such legislation might actually be super favorable for Stripe.


We're not opposed to supporting other cryptocurrencies in future. We're cryptocurrency nerds, not Bitcoin nerds specifically.


For a BRL charge the transaction will still be to a US merchant, rather than a local merchant. You're right that in some countries like Brazil, this can be a bit hit-or-miss.


Bummer.

But it is still amazing that BRL is supported at all, given the insane regulations.


Both have been up and running in Australia longer than us, actually. And we want to launch multicurrency support in Australia properly: as a default part of every Stripe account with no paperwork. We could probably get a half-baked version out the door faster, but I don't think that's fair to our Australian users either.


It's seeing answers like this that make me choose products.

Nicely done.


Curious to know, what's the hurdle or bottleneck in the process? Is it a regulatory issue or a technical one?

Been following-up with @sw (at Stripe Australia) on USD support for months now, but still waiting to see any indication.


Can you elaborate further on what restrictions are preventing multi currency support? If I'm not mistaken NAB are your acquiring bank, surely they would be able to assist you as they did for pin?


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