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Because ironically, and despite of all the good words, this is not what is typically rewarded by their universities.


How can you tell it is not been read?


I guess I can't.


It is already being tried with Plan S. But the problem is to choose the right alternative, of which the alternative pay-to-publish model isn't.

https://gitlab.com/publishing-reform/discussion/issues/86


What sort of value have they been creating?


providing the system on which is based a major criteria for scientist's career advancement

not saying it's good, just that it's a fact


Very true, this is precisely the problem. Editors don't leave E's journals' boards because it might hurt their vitae. Referees don't decline to work for E's journals (for free) because it might hurt their relations with editors. And authors often don't have much choice where to send their articles and might hurt their career by picking out-of-stream venues.


All of them use the same process.


I was asking about:

> Recently, I wanted to read a quite old paper as it connected to my recent research. It was published in the 60s, in a journal that has housed some extremely ground breaking work in my field. But you wouldn’t get that impression from their elsevier site

The OP is describing how all journals are treated the same, despite the the fact that they are essentially mini societies, some with more important histories than others


All articles are already assured to get salvaged via services like LOCKSS, CLOCKSS, and Portico. All we need is to have them go bankrupt, preferably fully, so stories like that won't repeat: https://gitlab.com/publishing-reform/discussion/issues/22


This might help to understand E's "logic" :)

"Would you buy the world a drink?" - is there merit to Elsevier logic?

https://gitlab.com/publishing-reform/discussion/issues/104


Of course they won't do it as that would show the world the other 99% of their journals are in fact old rubbish. And they don't buy us drinks as we know...

https://gitlab.com/publishing-reform/discussion/issues/104


> Then when I submit they'll "proofread" and "format" my paper, failing to spot existing errors, introducing their own, and outputting an ugly mess, maybe with two columns to make it really unreadable.

We have been recording their (dis)services here, with everyone warmly welcome to add more:

https://gitlab.com/publishing-reform/discussion/issues/4


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