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This concept in known as medical tourism. [1]

I was business admin student in college and my concentration was in entrepreneurship. Part of the program was a class were I had write a business plan and I chose medical tourism. This was back in 2006-ish. Even back then, there was trend where Americans would travel abroad for surgery, but cosmetic surgery was not that popular. Mostly people would go to India, bc the quality of care was high and orders of magnitude cheaper.

Good to know my entrepreneurial instinct was somewhat accurate.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_tourism


Its also very telling who takes the blame when things fail.

> Call me a hater, but the problem is Windows...

You're not a hater, windows is hot garbage.

Windows is so damaged a this point, both in terms of rep and functionality, that microsoft might as well start form scratch with linux as the kernel. I am not even joking. And fire every mba that ever influenced the product.


I'm pretty sure if they threw the Windows 7 source in a room with a mighty (sufficiently advanced) LLM, the only instruction being "make this better, make no mistakes" (as in the meme), it'd still be better than the current Win11 situation. This thing is horribly broken. At least with LLMs, I get a "you're absolutely right" when I complain.

At this point, meta could buy the EU.

Everything is absolutely for sale, if we did things The American Way but luckily we aren't, so good luck buying it :)

Buying it doesn't necessarily have to mean becoming owner of the physical thing. You could buy the EU by spending enough money with the politicians that you essentially get to do whatever you wanted as if you owned the physical thing without actually having the burden of ownership.

> You could buy the EU by spending enough money with the politicians

Alright, so given this is your belief, why wouldn't you think that this has already been done, if it's possible? No one felt like buying the EU until in the future? Or maybe, it might actually be harder than you think?


Currently, they are focused on owning the US. You'll see they are well on their way. The eye of Sauron hasn't been focused on the EU just yet.

Which again makes sense, the US entire philosophy is "Everything is for sale, if you can afford it, you can buy it", so of course that's what happens now.

However, laws, politics and more is slightly different in the EU and Europe, hence you can't just wave money and get your wave, unlike the US currently.


You have 27 governments reacting to the agenda set by the powers on both hemispheres (defense spending, tariffs, proxy wars, etc) you don't think enough influence has been bought?

This is "you will own nothing and you will be happy" in practice.

> ...but the flaw is that there's no strong incentives to be efficient.

This was a feature, not a bug. More inefficiency means more profit can be captured.


> At 4:59 pm, he asked an AI tool, “How do i clear system logs from SQL servers after deleting databases?” He later asked, “How do you clear all event and application logs from Microsoft windows server 2012?”

So many red flags, I can't even.


> In the space of a single hour, Muneeb deleted around 96 databases with US government information. He downloaded 1,805 files belonging to the EEOC and stashed them on a USB drive, then grabbed federal tax information for at least 450 people.

Maybe whoever runs infosec at that place should also be fired?


Brave of you to assume they had anyone running infosec by the sounds of it


Elon's brother's landscaper's nephew's girlfriend was sacked along with Elon, so nobody was filling that role in the government.

Which MAGAts applaud. Emptying the swamp!


Wasn't that .. these guys themselves?


I love how this leaks out the fact that the DHS is running production databases on operating systems that are months away from end of extended support.

Windows Server has 5 years of mainstream support, 5 years of extended support, and then an extra 3 years paid Extended Security Updates (ESU) support. For 2012 and 2012 R2 that ends in October 2026.

The three years of ESU exists only for organisations like government departments that would rather pay Microsoft millions of dollars for patches than pay a competitive wage and hire competent IT staff that can complete upgrade projects on time.


> The three years of ESU exists only for organisations like government departments that would rather pay Microsoft millions of dollars for patches than pay a competitive wage and hire competent IT staff that can complete upgrade projects on time.

I'm not going to say the wages are fine but the issue is likely not to be the competence of the IT staff, but rather the overbearing IT management processes the U.S. Federal government uses. "Enterprise change management" processes separate from the already-long cybersecurity review processes can add weeks or even months to system updates.

In that kind of construct, you optimize for fewer but larger changes and then it's no surprise to see that there's no time in the project update schedule to update the OS in addition to making all the other long-overdue library / middleware / application changes that also are pending once a change finally can be made.


I wonder how foreign governments do it? Better or worse


They hire US-based technology companies who fail in the exact same way.

(rare exception: Gov.uk government digital services; while they're not used for all projects, they are exactly the sort of committed and competent public servants we need more of)


It can be quite politically valuable to kick the can to the next administration.


The day-to-day operation of large government bureaucracies is surprisingly immune to elections. The same people stay in the same job for decades, the "churn" only happens at the highest levels, and even those positions tend to outlast changes in the current political party in charge.


Did you not see what happened in the last year to federal workers?


Unfortunately this is a good example of kicking the can. Not to the next administration but to after the next elections. Some aspects are felt already but not all.

It's a good time to be kind to your neighbors. No matter their background, they're almost certainly not the ones to be upset at.


This problem has been "cooking" for 12.5 years, not 1.


You're off by an order of magnitude, sadly.


It’s a contractor to the DHS, but I’m not sure that makes it worse or better.


That's normal in big bureaucracies. I've worked on systems nobody wanted to breath around because nothing could be fixed.


To be fair, this transpired last year, so they actually had one year and some months before losing extended support.

That said, they should have migrated it years ago.


Yep, Windows Server 2012 being a big one :o


They forgot a

> "How do I clear chat logs from LLM?"

I guess?


Those are not red flags. Those are the actual thing. I think red flag is a heuristic that warns you about a course of action.


> So many red flags

starting with Windows Server _2012_ :O


Ready access to AI tools sure makes vandalism easy.


This vandalism is a joke. You could find the method in an XKCD comic.

The fact that they didn't already know how to do it is the crazy part.


A tool which is supposed to supercharge you - supercharges you.


Ai is just a tool. You can kill with hammer, doesn't mean you ban hammers. And they could have used stack overflow instead of ai.


That’s a non-sequitur. You don’t need to defend AI, your parent comment isn’t attacking it, simply making an observation.

> doesn't mean you ban hammers

They didn’t suggest banning anything.

> You can kill with hammer

Not if you don’t have a hammer available. Which is the point. Ready access to a tool makes misusing the tool easy. And some tools are more conductive to misuse than others. You can kill maybe a couple of people in a crowd with a hammer, a few more with a handgun, a ton more with a machine gun or a bomb. The tool itself matters, and you should regulate each accordingly to their capacity and likelihood of harm. For example, plenty of countries restrict gun use significantly more than the US. Those countries have much fewer gun-related deaths and violence. This isn’t (shouldn’t be, in an honest discussion) hard to understand.


My god, they didn't say ban ai they said it makes vandalism easy.

No need to knee jerk react to an argument that hasn't been made.


It's not knee jerk to respond to an obvious contextual implication.


Absolutely wasn’t where I was going with that.

I was sort of admiring the devastation a malignant actor can cause with a good tool.

It’s usually used for morally neutral neutral or good work.


Fair enough. I guess an LLM in an IT administration role could be aptly compared to a bulldozer.


The tools we use are not neutral. A sword can be made to work like an axe, but we use axes for chopping wood because a sword makes a shitty axe. A sword is designed to kill people. The handle, the mass, the weight distribution, and every other aspect I am not qualified to get in to, means swords are designed to kill. They are a tool, and their use is not neutral.

This is a clear example, but I don't believe any tools are neutral. Your immediate fallback was to a hammer, not a mouse, with the obvious corrollary being to bludgeon, but the same line applies. Tools are not neutral, and that's why when you looked for something that causes harm, you grabbed something that's objectively been serving a dual-purpose for hundreds of years. Nobody's using a computer mouse to bludgeon someone to death; it makes a shitty bludgeon, and the design of the tool reflects that.

That's also why these comparisons always fall back to knives, or hammers, or the AK-47: they are dangerous tools that are designed to make killing easier. Nobody is making these comparisons to more benign tools, like desk lamps, coffee cups, or car stereos, and it's because tools are not neutral, and none of my examples are designed to make direct, bodily harm, easier.



The fact that you had to find an article from three decades ago for an instance of killing with a keyboard is telling. All the others aren’t exactly that recent and are mostly isolated cases. Meanwhile, on gun related deaths, there are entire Wikipedia pages for it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-r...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_mass_shootings_in_the...

There are more mass shootings in the US per year than there are days in a year. It’s so bad they need pages for each individual year.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_...

Meanwhile, pages of deaths perpetrated with household items are curiosities. You parent comment stands: tools are designed for specific purposes and are used for those purposes.


>The fact that you had to find an article from three decades ago for an instance of killing with a keyboard is telling

Yeah, is telling that modern keyboards weight a lot less nowadays, and nobody would use one as a weapon to hit someone else. ;)

The original IBM Model M was 2.3 Kg.


Thank you for the laugh, wasn’t expecting that. Though I have a modern external Apple keyboard, which is not that weighty but it is metal and fairly thin with sharp corners. It could do some damage.


My larger point is that nobody - nobody - defaults to telling us the coffee mug is unregulated, as AI allegedly ought to be. They always compare it to something much more commonly used as a weapon; something that, when asked to name a household object likely to be used as a weapon, the average person would guess.


Your point is that people make a stronger argument even when a weaker one would be sufficient?


Instead of comparing AI to any other tool, especially one closer to "useful with a computer", the common comparison is always a weapon of some kind.

If the design of tools are neutral, one tool should do as well as another in this common comparison. But the useful application of tools is inherent in their design.

If tools were neutral, as so many on this site claim, why is AI only ever compared to knives and hammers?

Parent has lots of links to other common objects causing harm, why are they never used as the example when tools are allegedly neutral? That would be a stronger argument opposing AI regulation - ethernet has less regulations that knives, but can still be used as a murder weapon


Hammers are kind of just the prototypical tool, but I've definitely also seen comparisons to keyboards, paintbrushes, and traditional digital tools.

> why are they never used as the example when tools are allegedly neutral? That would be a stronger argument opposing AI regulation

The argument is strongest if pointing to tools that have larger potential impact yet are still widely considered neutral and not/loosely regulated.

"We should consider AI a neutral tool and not heavily regulate it because we do the same for drink coasters" is not convincing, because there's not all that much you can do with a coaster.


Although…my gran's coasters were made of Waterford crystal, and could definitey do some damage. (-:


You are the first person in this conversation to mention banning. I am not sure what your comment has to do with anything.


No back ups? Skill issue.


Not many people test their backups. I've encountered some situations where the backups didn't work. And one previous employer who was so lazy that he didn't rotate the backup tapes so that the one tape cartridge was used so long that the oxide layer was rubbed off of the tape - so it was no longer brown but was transparent instead (imagine adhesive tape with no adhesive).


The article says that they did have backups


They need to get int positions of leadership first. In a typical corpo office, those people are not rewarded, they are pushed out.


Yes. Apollo had a lot of WWII military people. The dud leaders in the US military were mostly identified early in the war and kicked out. Gen. George C. Marshall established a "plucking board" in 1941 to remove bad officers.[1] "In the first six months of its existence the panel removed 195 captains, majors, lieutenant colonels, and colonels. Ultimately 500 colonels were forced into retirement."

That set the tone for the rest of the war. Bad leaders were routinely demoted or retired by a formal process for identifying losers. Not for policy reasons. For not being good at combat leadership. For most of the 1950s, at least, the US military continued that tradition. Much of the staff of Apollo came from that environment.

[1] https://www.defensemedianetwork.com/stories/gen-george-c-mar...


Up until death, yes.


Well, it depends... Biology is complicated.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil_facial_tumour_disease


Ah, the "colonize the stars solution".


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