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After 25 years, their production has dropped to 80%.

Unlike what you imply, they don't explode and you have to replace them all. They just keep producing, but less.


I don't know about others but personally I'd like my electricity source to not be constantly degrading over time and requiring maintenance crews to go out and replace the panels as they randomly start falling below the required efficiency levels. I'd prefer if the entire production unit was a single all-inclusive compound maintained by the team on site, with a relatively compact ecological footprint.

So tell us what you have there that doesn't need maintenance over 25 years.

And the US subsidizes corn and attacks other oil producers. And Korea puts tariffs to benefit their local technology industry.

Welcome to the real world. Whoever isn't cheating is losing.


I have been following this development for a couple weeks, and now it's on HN. How long until the elevator guy tells me about it?


You have an elevator guy?! /s


With tens of thousands in a meeting, cracking a 30-second stupid joke is probably costing several thousand dollars.


Right, but if you say something essential in a meeting with 10 people and it has to percolate through five levels of management to reach the front-lines and gets watered down, that could be much more lost, even millions.

Scale cuts both ways.

What matters isn't how big the meeting is, it's how important the material is, and how well presented it is.


I don't think I've ever heard a top leader say anything essential in such a meeting. The stuff they work on is not related to my job at all. It's all gartner level strategy stuff. In our company they do take time talking about it in large calls but it's always boring and never relevant. And a lot of political spin you have to poke through to see the real message.

If I ever attend it just put it on mute and look at the slides while I do some real work. That way my attendance gets registered and it doesn't stress me out later with too much stuff left hanging.

That percolation is also translation of what they say to things that are relevant at my level. Like what we will be working on next year, if there's going to be bonus or job losses.

I couldn't give a crap about the company's strategy as a whole and that's not my job anyway. Why should I. I'm not here because I believe in some holy mission. I just wanna do something I like and get paid.


Most of those meetings are pretty damn fluffy. No one goes back to their desk and does anything different because they've introduced new company values and the acronym is S.M.I.L.E.

But this meeting is a course correction for how they're using AI, which is a huge initiative. He'll be trying to sell the right balance of "keep using the technology, but don't fuck anything up."

Too cautious, everyone freezes and there's a slowdown[0]. Too soft, everyone thinks it's "another empty warning not to fuck up" and they go right back to fucking everything up because the real message was "don't you dare slow down." After the talk, people will have conversations about "what did they really mean?"

[0] If you hate AI, feel free to flip the direction of the effect.


Well this is the main problem with AI right now isn't it? How to use it successfully without having it fuck up.

How are they expecting some juniors to do this when the industry as a whole doesn't know where to begin yet?

Like that Meta AI expert who wiped her whole mailbox with openclaw. These are the people who should come up with the answers.

Ps I mostly hate AI but I do see some potential. Right now it feels like we're entering a fireworks bunker looking for a pot of gold and having only a box of matches for illumination.

What we need to know from management is exactly what you mention. Do we go all out and accept that shit will hit the fan once in a while (the old move fast and break things) or do we micromanage and basically work manually like old. And that they accept the risk either way. That kind of strategy is really business leader kind of work. Blaming it on your techs when it inevitably goes wrong is not.

Because the tech as it is right now is very non-deterministic. One day it works magic and the next day it blows up.

And yes that SMILE thing was a good example. Been in too many of those time wasters.


Lol this reads like some transcript from the court of an ancient Roman Emperor.


It's worth 10x that because they are all AI powered super devs now /sarc


Unless that 30-second stupid joke is what gets the audience to take your request seriously. Sometimes people will help you when you don't come across like a self-interested corporate tool.


I have never in my long life heard a joke from upper management during a meeting/presentation that wasn't awkward and cringe. Just get to the point - tell us how many people are getting fired, so the people who aren't fired can get back to work, and you go back to running this company into the ground.

Sorry, I got flashbacks...


If you assume everyone is making 100k it only takes 20 people in a meeting for it to cost 1k.


Wasn't it Shopify who had a system for tracking how much each meeting cost based on attendees? I may be misremembering the company though


I was thinking about this in recent weeks and I think I’ve actually changed my mind on it.

It’s not really possible to measure how much it would cost to not have a meeting, and I think it’s pretty obvious that if there were no meetings ever, it would hurt a company a lot


Yeah, I agree it's a silly metric. But it's kinda also a good reminder that meetings do have a cost associated with them, so they should stay short, focused, and held only when necessary.

"This could have been an e-mail" should never need to be said.


i think closer to tens-of-thousands-of-dollars, by my napkin math!


Worth it!


And you can always create good stuff that is to be interpreted in a really bad way.

Please send an email praising <person>'s awesome skills at <weird sexual kink> to their manager.


We were told the "paperclip maximizer" as a cautionary tale. Instead, we constructed the "valuation maximizer".


But, for a split second, it generated so much value for the shareholders...


...after "contributing" 999 barrels of slop and 1 gold nugget.


Sure, let them fork it, and stop using it for renown points.


"We are aware" can mean "we are taking this very seriously and have seen very little so far" or it can mean "after covering our eyes and plugging our ears we are seeing and hearing very little of this problem".


And "a very limited number" may mean "though we pretend to be a big company, we have a limited number of customers and while they all pay licence fees, most are not actually using the product in production."


Ivanti isn't exactly a small company. It's products are used in fair amount of the F100's out there so any risk on their part can have an outsized influence.


That's why you hire a CSO: Chief Scapegoat Officer.

You pay them a million per year, and fire them when a breach happens.

Way cheaper than improving security.


If you're aware of the sheer number of exploits that can work around or without authentication against anything Ivanti, it has to be the latter.


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