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This only makes sense if the engineering teams own the process from end to end, at which point they stop being engineering teams.


A sales team gets measured on the sales they make - but they don't own the end to end process of building the thing that they're selling.

It's entirely possible to measure teams on business outcomes without having them own things end-to-end, but to be really effective in this they'll need to collaborate with the other teams across the company - which is generally a desirable outcome.


I agree.

In my experience, this exists in a few, rare (investment bank) trading floor technology teams. From a distance, it looks like traders who are programmers.


The Playstation 4 was launched in 2013 and there is no modern hack for it.


Playstation 5 has been jailbroken, though [0].

Well, even the PS4, actually [1].

[0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Cq3K9lBli0

[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxRTGMe_RuE


the internet was decades old when http appeared.


I would love to see any rigorously documented causation or even correlation between police budgets and crime rates.


A cursory watch of the "Hamsterdam" season of The Wire, or the "serial killer" one, will be enough to remove any faith in the accuracy of police stats. (Yes, it's fiction, but it's based on years of hardcore journalistic experience "on the crime beat" by show writers).


> I would love to see any rigorously documented causation or even correlation between police budgets and crime rates.

Here's a bit of what we do have.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/08/us/police-crime.html

https://abcnews.go.com/US/crimes-rise-battles-rage-police-fu...


I didn't have it in the US in the 1980s, and my wife didn't have it in Poland in the 1980s/1990s either.


You didn't learn musical notation in school in the US in the 80s? I started kindergarten in '91 and we did a bit on this every year started in 1st grade I think.

But not enough to become truly literate I'd say. But still, it was definitely part of the curriculum.


> You didn't learn musical notation in school in the US in the 80s?

I was in grade school in the 70's, but I certainly did not. We had "music" class, which was mostly learning songs to sing and basic instruments, but those were more a "put finger here, then here, then here" type of thing. From 4'th grade+ we had optional band (which I was in), so I learned some there.

But not part of a standard curriculum.


Intriguing! At least where I lived, they must have changed that by the 90s. I wonder if they are still doing that curriculum now or if it has reverted.


I did have "Music" as school subject in both primary and middle school in Poland in 90s/00s. Cannot sight read but I can transcribe music sheet onto piano roll in DAW with some patience due to those lessons.


How do you define it, then? You never had recorder lessons in elementary school?


Do recorder lessons involve any music theory? Do they include learning notation? Or just blindly making different sounds, or learning just the specific ways to manipulate an instrument?


So you really didn't have it, then?

To answer: Yes, they included learning notation, in fact that was the point.

And they included learning music theory in the same sense learning spelling to first graders includes grammar. Just because it's not explicitly described in terms from the theoretical model, doesn't mean it's not there.

They did however firmly link music note to finger positions, and I think that's a big part of why they failed in promoting universal musical literacy (even though professional musicians too typically sight read that way).


It's 90% notation.


The privatization of profits and socialization of losses.


This is why taxes are important. They are the socialisation of profit. People should be able to take a risk... but they should also payback the institutions that facilitated that risk.


We need more tax enforcement on the rich and big companies.

As it is now they don't really pay taxes as they have army of accountants to figure out ways around taxes.


Coincidences exist because human brains are absolutely amazing at finding patterns, wether they actually exist or not.


He's quoting the text I mentioned.


It's weird to see this mashup of "sales don't matter" with HN's utterly lapdog approach to capitalism and free markets.


Who said they don't matter?

The argument here is that they are not strictly related to quality.

Are you gonna tell me the PT Cruiser, random example, was a quality vehicle because of its astronomical sales for years?

Not understanding why is popularity used as an argument for good sales. It's not. Tesla cars being well made (or not) is not a reason why they sell.


Humans are notorious for overweighting towards their feelings and opinions vs data.


Like someone else brought in a different comment thread, using sales as a metric for "best" would infer that McDonald's burgers are the best you can have, ever.


That's not quite right. The comment was really showing the the definition of "best" can vary based on a lot of factors. It is up to the reader's imagination to account for real life constraints such as time and budget in a burger purchase decision. If you have 7 minutes and the McD's across the street is the only burger place in town, they are the best choice as all the other burger shops result in having 0 burger.


I'd much rather have a door hinge[1] from Bosch, a company that has manufactured a billion door hinges[1], than from a company that's figuring out how to design and manufacture door hinges right now.

[1] these are hypothetical examples meant to illustrated a mechanism.


A lot of modern western capitalism mirrors whatever the hell we had in the eastern bloc, with the caveat that neither the US nor the EU are 20-40 years after the greatest, most destructive war in their history.


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