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There are so many Teslas in Los Angeles it’s called the California Camry.


And yet living there I can tell you I see way more Camrys. Even in LA Tesla is a luxury subgroup vehicle and luxury vehicle owners are very sensitive to fashion/social signaling (here maybe even more than elsewhere!).


Wait until you find out Henry Ford’s politics. Or Volkswagon’s history. Although obviously it’s not as bad as a man promoting free speech and criticizing postmodernism.


Sure, plenty of other carmakers have committed vile sins. But the Musk Twitter nonsense is very current, which makes it harder to stomach than Henry Ford's anti-semitism over 100 years ago.

And let's not pretend Elon is sticking up for "free speech." He's censoring folks who don't agree with him. That isn't free speech, unless you subscribe to fascist definitions of "free speech."


the Musk Twitter nonsense is very current

I don't understand how people don't get this?

It's like saying "Trump's bad, but what about Thomas Jefferson and slavery!"

It just leaves people scratching their heads.


There is no one currently banned on Twitter by Musk for personal dislike. The only person he’s being unprincipled against is Alex Jones.


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> Users were banned for impersonation, which was against the rules prior to Elon.

Musk said he was going to only ban people for violating the law. It is not against the law to parody someone without identifying that you are a parody. Musk banning these accounts may be fine from your perspective, but not from an absolute free speech perspective.

> 2) Banning the jet tracker, while wrong, makes sense

Doesn’t make sense from the perspective of free speech absolutism. A lot of the bans pre-Musk made sense, like banning Trump for using the platform to foment insurrection. But Musk railed against those actions as examples of censorship, and promised not to operate that way. Instead, he is operating exactly that way. I don’t have a problem with that as it’s his platform, but he 100% went back on his promise as soon as he got control.

> Edit: I can’t reply to you because of dangs rate limit. Your articles are complete bullshit.

You’ve been rate limited for a reason. Please don’t try to get around the rate limit by editing your posts.


Surely there's no difference between people who have been dead for decades and someone who chooses every day to actively put himself in the spotlight by doing stuff ranging from stupid to awful.

Really sad fall from grace for Elon. Could've just kept working.


I mean, I think you’ll find that Henry Ford is dead.

In general, “past, extremely dead, person was awful; this excuses the current awful person” is _not_ a great argument. It also seems to be a fairly new invention; I’ve only really seen it in the last decade.

Not even going to address the free speech thing, except to say that you must be using a very 1984 “war is peace” sort of definition there…


It's not just his politics.

He's running Twitter in a very erratic manner and demonstrating very poor judgement. It's completely reasonable not to trust someone like that with your family's safety.


He is banning people sometimes for policies he introduced after the fact, sometimes without policy violations at all. “Free speech” is just not a defendable position for his behavior, he does not subscribe or support free speech.


Twitter moderation was famously bad before Elon, and has seemingly only slightly improved.

What Elon has done however is put the spotlight on Twitter, almost every issue people have with it is a “preexisting condition”.


Except he banned a bunch of journalists discussing him using a policy he introduced after the fact, and in one case, without violation at all. His active actions, not pre-existing conditions, reveal his preference against free speech.


Who is banned from Twitter now that Musk banned? The lunatics that ran it for years banned people wantonly with vague reasons without any remedy for 5+ years in some cases.

Musk revealed files implicating the FBI, CIA and Pentagon but oh my God he voted Republican so he’s evil!


Is he promoting free speech? Last I heard he had deleted a load of journalists accounts, before that it was deleting parady accounts. What concrete thing has he done for free speech other than offer trump his account back?


How many decades ago are we talking about?


Any kind of news event can be repeated by dozens of articles. It’s a really absurd system and it also means you can’t easily find alternative perspectives on events.

Searching by date range doesn’t work either since it brings up current articles as well.


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