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Never heard of them, and this page doesn't tell me what they do, but I've laughed at this line

> In most markets Senior developers often command salaries exceeding $150,000 USD per year

Not really, there's basically a single sub-market in the US market where that is the norm.


Within the US, it's far more common than you think. That's typical senior dev money in a large company in cities like St Louis or KC. What is rare outside of the biggest markets is the whole "enough RSUs to double your salary" thing.

Nah, like others have said - 150k is fairly normal for senior positions in any decently sized metro in the US at this point.

Even a decade ago, seniors could easily be pulling 120-150k in markets like Houston/Atlanta/Miami/etc... The relatively cheap markets.

I'm in Atlanta and I'd actually say 150k is a lowball offer for a senior in this market at this point. I'd expect 175k+.

Now - the flip side of this is that current competition is fairly insane with all the recent tech layoffs. So it's possible we're seeing some market correction. But I don't really think it's going to come down much. Between inflation and rising costs... 150k just isn't what it used to be. If it comes down... it's going to be because we're entering a real depression.

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The amount of money the US government has printed in the last 7 years is... insane. And while it was starting to taper back down in 2023 and early 2024... then we got the GOP, and the GOP is objectively bad with money (not that the dems are that much better...). So m1 supply is rising at a relatively steady rate again.

We going to feel the consequences for a LONG time (or very, very badly for a medium time... with unknown results).


the rare market is 250k+. You can get 150k in cleveland or milwaukee

I'd consider this a lowball in Austin

Whats the take-home after housing and expenses tho? It's the same in CA... massive salaries, but also massive taxes+housing expenses.

At least in my experience, having worked in both Florida and California, that's more of a wash than people imagine it's going to be -- and more so than the "cost of living calculators" tend to demonstrate, at least if you're a renter.

I actually ran a few numbers based on current costs. If you're making $120K/yr in Florida and paying the average cost for a 1-bedroom rental in Tampa ($1,642/mo, as of April 2026 according to Apartments.com), your after-tax take home is $98 (24% federal tax bracket, no state tax) and you have $78.4K after rent. If you're making $180K/yr in California and paying the average cost for a 1-bedroom rental in San Jose ($2,705/mo), your after-tax take home is $130.5K (24% federal tax bracket, 9.3% CA state tax bracket) and you have $98K left after housing.

You can keep fiddling with the numbers, but in most cases, the premium for getting a tech job in Silicon Valley is sufficiently high that you really are making more in absolute dollars despite the higher cost of living.


That math breaks down if you have kids and need 4bdrm house commutable distance to work in good school district - prohibitively expensive in Bay Area and affordable on engineer salary in most tier 2 cities. If you do not have kids, Bay Area clearly wins, especially if you are ok with studio/1bdrm.

Interestingly I applied for one of their senior frontend positions that required a "high level of experience" in Australia, they said 120k AUD with no room to go higher. Went with an offer of 170k instead.

Well, that aligns with both "total raise of 93k AUD" and "we need more money to afford to hire senior people"

That salary is not unheard of at all in London. Especially when you convert £ to $.

Sure but Londons known for being high wages. Now change that location to Cornwall or the North of England and watch it get almost cut in half.

Manchester is only about 10% below London, other cities along the M62 are about 15% below according to the salary benchmarking data I've seen. The bigger difference is more in the number and type of available roles.

That salary would be above the median for most perm senior dev positions in London, but still well within the usual range for established tech companies and well-funded startups.


You went from picking the highest salary city...to the second highest paying city. You get how that comes across right?

Most of the rest of the north is similar. Darlington's the main outlier, since it's dominated by the public sector.

And yes, a senior dev will be on half that in the public sector outside London - but only if you exclude the pension.

I don't have figures for anywhere in Cornwall. Is there actually much of a tech industry there?


not unheard of, but not typical.

They are based in Switzerland . 140k USD median dev salary

Interesting claim, where do you gather that data? The quick results I got where from a 2024 report on TheNextWeb claiming its around 90k USD equivalent in Switzerland https://thenextweb.com/news/european-cities-highest-salaries...

Market rate for a senior engineer in much, much poorer Poland exceeds 80k at current exchange rates - ask me how I know.

I also had a contract in Switzerland for a brief, beautiful moment and in 2020 it was not weird to have an hourly rate exceeding 90CHF/h in this role.

Permanent employees were making anywhere in the range of 100-130k CHF, so the 140k USD figure is close adjusted for inflation.



Thanks for the data, 117500 CHF converted today is around 148k USD, and that means being in the top 25%

It clearly says that the median is 110k CHF ~ 140k USD

For a Senior perhaps. The figures I find for Switzerland are more in the 90-120 range depending on the source. Also, I think what OP was referring to is the 'most markets' bit. Switzerland is the best paying country in Europe (discounting London).

> Switzerland is the best paying country in Europe (discounting London).

How does that look when you correct for costs of living, because I imagine that would put London at the bottom of the list, as one of those places where senior-level tech salary is not enough to afford living in the city itself (and I don't mean the City of London, but the rest of it too).


I wouldn’t have replied if the session foundation hadn’t been based in Switzerland.

>Never heard of them

They're big on dark web drug markets.


Yeah I'm not sure what they do, or why they need support

    "Session is an end-to-end encrypted messenger that protects your private data. A decentralized app designed, built, and operated by a global community of privacy experts."

A collection of strongly opinionated crypto experts running on hopes more than money is no way to run a government^W^W a messaging app

For a senior developer, $150,000 is about right. I'm looking at the latest half dozen jobs I've seen on LinkedIn for open senior developer positions and they all start at that number, and range up to $185k to $200k. Digging a little deeper, I see some th atstart well above that number, but it's for the huge companies you're thinking of -- Google, Netflix, Github.

Time to broaden their hiring pool then, $150k is double the cost of a senior developer in many other parts of the world (yes including English speaking first world countries).

When you've got 90 days till the doors close you cant be picky about your hiring pool.


Read the posting. They dont have money for a team, they don't have money for a senior developer. Whether $150k/FTE or $75k doesn't matter, because they don't have either of those.

Once the server and other costs have been paid, the have money for... maybe a part-time junior in Cambodia.


The claim is that 150k is the baseline that is often exceeded. I don't know the region you're looking for on LinkedIn, but what I see for European jobs is that they barely crack 100k for developers. At least the senior, non highly specialist, jobs I'm seeing.

If you self-host an LLM you'll learn quickly that even batching, and caching can affect determinism. I've ran mostly self-hosted models with temp 0 and seen these deviations.

> EU law also stipulates that you must give the consumer a minimum 2-year guarantee (legal guarantee) as a protection against faulty goods, or goods that don't look or work as advertised. In some countries national law may require you to provide longer guarantees.

https://europa.eu/youreurope/business/dealing-with-customers...

Unless there is something I'm missing on consumer protection legislation. I've seen in the past regional sellers that claimed that their provide a shorter guarantee. They sold their products on a marketplace platform, and once I reported them they changed their claims.


You're not missing anything. The key is this sentence "If the product you sold turns out to be faulty — or doesn't look or work as advertised — within the timeframe of the legal guarantee" - it's only when the product "turns out to be faulty" meaning - it has a manufacturing defect. It's defined exactly in the text of the legislation, would need to dig it out. If the product doesn't have a manufacturing defect, it "just" stops working at 23 months mark, the seller isn't legally required to fix it, unless you can prove that it's due to a manufacturing defect.

>> I've seen in the past regional sellers that claimed that their provide a shorter guarantee.

The sellers have to provide that guarantee against manufacturing defects for a minimum of 2 years, correct. Manufacturers can provide any length they like as they aren't the seller(in some cases and with some products they are legally bound as well, but it's not for everything - cars for instance have their own set of rules which bind the manufacturer not just the seller).


Wasn't Thunderbird Pro the avenue for extra project financing? Why does it take so long to launch an email service?

Was going to say it's here, but it's not indeed, you can join the waitlist: https://www.tb.pro/en-US/

Would be very nice if the wait-list included pricing, given that it's apparently here enough to have a sign-in link.

To be fair, "Give for TB awareness" has a nice ring to it...

I think email is one of the few critical services that takes a lot of effort to get it right. I'd rather have them take a while to ensure it is reliable rather than have a buggy mess on launch day.

Pretty cool. This is the glitchy userscript I use on Firefox mobile[1] (with screenshot) to make tap targets bigger and move navigation at the bottom of the page + collapsed.

[1] https://gist.github.com/mhitza/0956d7e2c11d3102cbd4cba7f6d06...


Unfortunately it doesn't offer free hosting for hobbyists. Even for superficial traffic you'll have pay 1 euro a month (plus VAT).

Not many DNS management providers (that I'm aware of, please correct me) support CNAME flattening. That is having your A record point to a CNAME.

Every time I purge the pull zone cache, I do it twice, cause once from my CI isn't enough. My CI does individual page cache invalidation during deployment, but there needs to be some kind of delay (with no feedback) when assets are distributed across.


Other commenters laughing at you for the price... It's not about the price it's about the barrier. Even if I love a service, I won't get very many people to try it if they need to enter a credit card.

If entering a credit card is too much you probably aren't a potential customer. Part of keeping a service low cost is keeping services efficient. Having a large pool of people using it for free who will never become customers will force the cost higher for those who do pay.

Good riddance to the "free" model. It's never actually free. You either pay with your data, or have to consume ads, or you're forcing other customers to pay for your free usage.


It's also a barrier for education.

Almost all technological choices I made as a teen were driven by "what hosting can I get for free, as my parents sure as hell won't put down their payment information for that". Back then that usually meant PHP and a max. 50MB MySQL.


If you've ever offered an online service, charging "the dollar" reduces a ton of spam/abuse you have to deal with.

I have been the service provider who had to paywall just to stop the spammers and you're right. But it's also true that kids will be collateral damage (or anyone without a credit card).

In my case, and it was the 90s, I took the time to setup a way to pay by calling a premium (1-900) for $1.49 number so the barrier to entry even for kids was still reasonable.

Maybe in modern day the equivalent is adding Google pay and Apple pay then you cover some kids at least (gift cards and such).

Quite the hassle for the provider, and it will turn away any person who cares about privacy. There's no way to win anymore.


If a parent can buy their kid a computer, they can pay 1 euro a month for a CDN in the rare case they need it. This is a bad argument.

I had trouble explaining to my parents what a BBS was. I wouldn't want to explain what a CDN is.

I think the point is that many HNer’s had parents who couldn’t or wouldn’t do “computer things”

Pay 1 Euro a month... or 1000s if their kid fucks up.

I get that credit cards are a barrier of entry but I’m more willing to give providers a break now that AI agents make it much easier to abuse free tiers. It’s also harder for smaller companies to offer free tiers. If we want a more diverse set of service providers we as customers need to be willing to accept some trade-offs.

oh no a euro a month for a service. How will we financially recover?

not everyone lives in the USA or earns USA based salaries.

also I said this in a another thread, they charges 1$ even for single testing http request.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46873521


Feel free to use local services then, not every company has to support the entire world. Some are fine with a small slice. Expecting otherwise isn't sustainable for the sub trillion dollar non-monopolists companies, not without massive public support from the government at least.

Why would you be a useful target market for a business running these services then? Seriously, if you can't pay anything at all, of what value is catering product offerings to you? It is thus irrelevant that you aren't happy with not being offered a free service.

I'm not in the USA or earn USA salary but I can pay 1 euro a month for a thing.

> Unfortunately it doesn't offer free hosting for hobbyists. Even for superficial traffic you'll have pay 1 euro a month (plus VAT).

?

So 1 euro a month is too expensive for you? Wow.

Just pay the 1 Euro or go to GitHub where that is free but goes down almost every week.


The absence of free offering is not a bug in this case, it's a feature.

Man, come on now, it's 1.20 EUR a month.

Of course it's nothing, but it's also not a set it an forget kind of thing, which in many ways for hobbyists is why cloudflare/github pages are nice.

Yes, it's nice to have a trillion+ dollar monopoly able to subsidize loss leaders to put your competitors out of business.

1. They could export the surplus. No?

2. Isn't cheaper electricity a good thing for the manufacturing industry?


> 1. They could export the surplus. No?

Yes, and that is in fact done. However, there it is still a bad deal with negative electricity prices.

> Isn't cheaper electeicity a good thing for the manufacuring industry?

It technically is, but its not as simple as that. Industrial manufacturing is a relatively steady load, which means the consumption is constant. The lowest prices do not matter all that much, the average price does. And that average price is relatively high here, even for industrial consumers.


The negative price is an indication that consumers can't utilize all the energy. That is, no one is willing to pay to consume more.

    > "They could export the surplus"
Negative prices generally indicate that the transmission connections are already saturated: as much energy as possible (or financially/technically acceptable to the third parties) is already being exported.

Transmission capacity and interconnectors are usually the bottlenecks.


Giving even a modicum of care of what Evan has to say in 2026 is a good joke. Only thing he's known outside the Elm community (aside from Elm) is how to antagonize your own community.

> A spokesperson for the group says, “Let’s face it—if truth isn’t flashy, it’s kinda lonely.”

Was the spokeperson human or just chatgpt?


Still. Until you have to prove your age to social media websites, for which you'll be nudged to use a digital id.

Unless you'll want to make your face available to third party verification services.


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