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I feel like this is just the start. There's going to be more and more legislation on the major LLMs to do this in their surface areas.

That's why I reached for Apples own local LLM to fool with similar ideas like this: https://pageforth.com. Apple is better than I expected at this. Right now it filters through things like hacker news articles and whatever else you point it at to summarize and find things that match your interests. Apple's LLM reminds me of Claude like 3 years ago. It's weak for sure. But useful for small dose kind of problems.

It's funny the convos I now have with Sonnet that I wasn't having with Opus. I feel like most of us here are starting to be told to draw down some of our 1M Opus xtrahigh thinking tokens :)

Is anyone using a local router to deal with that? Something thats like "don't even bother with sonnet for this task, just go with Opus". I wonder if Haiku could even do that math and recommend the model you should be in?


my task workflow uses something like opus to evaluate the roadmap, sonnet to divide the tickets by complexity, and then dispatch them to the relevant models - I use haiku or openai's spark models (spark is FAST! and DUMB!) for the simplest, and ascending in complexity. I find mid tier sonnet and gpt5 are pretty competitive, and reserve opus for truly "rearchitect the app from scratch" style tasks.

But all that might be somewhat obsolete, the latest update for claude code looks like it uses workflows with various models, so they might already be optimizing that.


The version that probably works better is triaging in advance what's definitely not Opus territory: summaries, documentation, test generation.

The small stuff has their place. I have this safari extension and needed a way to quickly title people's chat histories. Haiku is the fast cheap thing to come up with decent titles of blocks of text. I feel like there's a bunch of those little things lying around you need a model for. I'm even finding Apple's Foundation Model is super useful for stuff like that. Even summarizing an article. It's like equally awful at doing it, but gets enough done to still be useful as a way to be like "oh yeah, this article is actually worth reading"

Small models are super useful. But I'm skeptical of their use for coding in particular, which is what this model is advertised for.

This makes me wonder if the LLM labs/Perplexities can figure out with CNN a proper revenue share model. I keep writing about this but it feels like we need something like AMP back (i hated AMP). but some kind of thing the publisher can declare: "if you use my content, you better show this ad because this is why that content was written. use my ad so we can still get paid."

Yup, as a forum owner, we've seen our traffic crash at least 60% since the AI just gives them a summary of our forum posts and the user never clicks through.

I just had a maddening convo with Amazon's AI https://share.zight.com/o0udw54W (i had mentioned before that in 5 minutes it would be time to get my refund according to some other policy message they sent me). A convo before this Amazon's bot didn't even recognize the reply the forced me to give from their button. I clicked "Entire package is missing". and they replied "Couldn't understand your response". It's a brutal, antagonistic experience. The kicker is how Amazon keeps saying "we're passionate about customer experience". You were Amazon. You were. But you've given that up.

The silver lining is that the pendulum will swing. It's like all thee independent bookstores thriving again. Eventually enough of us will revolt hard with our dollars. And move back towards businesses that aren't employing all these bots they stick in front of us. We'll get there.


this is why I feel like we need some kind of "consortium" or government effort to be like "yo, llms, you need to honor some kind of source markup to give us people you mention more significant boost"? like if you mention my article, you better also show my ad partner?


ugh. yeah. the tragedy of the commons


It's funny, the way that term gets used now is actually a wild distortion of the true history.

"The commons" was an incredibly successful system, and medieval (and prior) villages used it to great success, for the entire village's benefit! "Commons" are a great thing for everyone to have!

The real history is that as advances in technology (like the Industrial Revolution) changed things, certain rich villagers were suddenly able to manage more animals than they could before. Those (specific/rich) people over-used the commons, creating the "tragedy" we all know of.

The real lesson of history is not that commons fail: to the contrary, they worked great and helped everyone for centuries! The real lesson is "watch the fuck out for the new rich (especially when they just became rich because of recent technology advancements): those bastard will steal from everyone for their own benefit!"


Personally kinda pumped for things like this. I dig good smelling stuff, but I'm allergic to so much of it. The stuff at Henry Rose is hypoallergenic and seems to work better for my skin. But nice to see more tech in this industry.


I've got a half thought about concept that maybe we need a concept like AMP back. I hated AMP. I'm glad it's dead. But you could use it to define things that you were at least advised that it would be shown in the google ui and carousel. I feel like we need a guarantee from the LLMs that if we provide some kind of meta data in our source material you'll honor stuff from it. Like show our advertisers so we get some revenue still from you showing our content on your LLM site.

Totally vibed version of this:

``` { "version": "https://agent-source.org/v1", "canonical_url": "https://ninjasandrobots.com/the-cone", "title": "The Real Reason Nobody Moved the Cone", "source_name": "Ninjas and Robots", "author": "Nathan Kontny", "summary": "An essay about embarrassment, public action, and why obvious fixes go undone.", "preferred_citation": "Ninjas and Robots", "source_card": { "headline": "The Real Reason Nobody Moved the Cone", "description": "People avoid obvious public actions not because they are lazy, but because being seen trying is embarrassing.", "image": "https://ninjasandrobots.com/images/cone-card.jpg", "cta": "Read the full essay" }, "allowed_excerpt": { "max_chars": 500, "preferred_excerpt": "People often avoid obvious public action because embarrassment feels more immediate than danger." }, "commercial_terms": { "ads_allowed": true, "sponsor_card_url": "https://ninjasandrobots.com/.well-known/sponsor-card.json", "licensing_contact": "hello@ninjasandrobots.com" } } ```

But something to get our original source honored better in the LLM. Maybe if one of the LLMs do this, we'd give it more loyalty? Maybe the government needs to compel this kind of behavior? No idea. It does suck though our content is just turned into AI's own tokens and we're left with a tiny "source" link if we're lucky.


Given that these platforms are increasing intermediating experiences between websites/companies/etc and end-users, I suspect we’ll soon see a strong push back in that direction to adopt more things like schema markup to get more control back in some sense. Things are only going to get worse though.


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