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> The pads are split into three pieces that are XORed to create the actual pad to reduce risk of compromise.

Thus creating a two-time pad, which is completely insecure…


No, the idea is that the actual key is the XOR of 3 completely independent keys. I think you were thinking of XORing a key with itself 3 times, which would just return the original key.

In the book, there is a cargo ship carrying 1/3 of a OTP. Other two other ships from two other companies are carrying the other thirds. This actually is a fairly decent method of transporting a OTP (I'm assuming there's some kind of physical security preventing tampering).

The book even talks later on about how only using the pad isn't enough, since it provides no proof of authorship or tampering. Vinge did a pretty good job w/compsci in the book.


Re: cheap - Anthropic’s write-up said it cost $20,000 of runs to find that bug (and a few others). So not that cheap compared to other tools - more similar in cost to human review/pentest, but probably more exhaustive.

> This was the most critical vulnerability we discovered in OpenBSD with Mythos Preview after a thousand runs through our scaffold. Across a thousand runs through our scaffold, the total cost was under $20,000 and found several dozen more findings.

They don’t talk about the other findings, so I’m guessing they are minor.


> Crashing is not an outage.

Are you in the right thread?


Did you skip all the other context about the other systems that failed?

The problem was a query producing incorrect data. The crash helped them find it.

What do you think happens when a program crashes?


> The crash helped them find it.

Barely given the initial impression it was a DDoS.

Although you can argue that's bad observability.


MBP = Macbook Pro AW = Apple Watch? What is APP?


AirPods Pro.


Not sure why you're being downvoted for recommending a classic textbook!


> Because in practice, everything is finite.

Indeed! https://neilmadden.blog/2019/02/24/why-you-really-can-parse-...


100% reproducible deterministic bugs are absolutely the easiest class of bugs.


The proprietary/commercial TALA engine is really excellent too. I’ve been using it to do complex dataflow diagrams, and the results are so incredibly well laid out.


Enforcing TLS 1.3 seems like a roundabout way to enforce this. Why not simply block requests that don’t have an Origin/Sec-Fetch-Site header?


I don't understand - the article is literally about origin/Sec-Fetch-Site


The article has a whole section about requiring those headers by forcing the use of TLS 1.3 — the theory being that browsers modern enough to support 1.3 are also modern enough to support the headers. But why not just enforce the headers?


If your case is just supporting browsers and not things like curl this seems fine. But when the headers are not set the CSRF protections are "disabled" exactly to support this case, that you may want to do this request using something like curl.


I guess. But it would only impact you if you’re using cookies with curl (I assume the middleware is only applied to requests with cookies?) — and it seems pretty easy to add a -H ‘sec-fetch-site: none’ in that case.


I see what you mean. You were saying why tls in addition to Sec-Fetch-Site. The sibling comment seems to have addressed it


Yes, in theory they are good. In practice they cause enormous amounts of pain and work for library maintainers with little benefit to them (often only downsides). So, many libraries don’t support them and they are very hard to adopt incrementally. I tried to convert a library I maintain to be a module and it was weeks of work which I then gave up and reverted. As one library author said to me “JPMS is for the JDK itself, ignore it in user code”.

Given how much of a coach and horses modules drove through backwards compatibility it also kind of gives the lie to the idea that that explains why so many other language features are so poorly designed.


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