Aren't vinyls typically pressed, not carved from a blank? I wonder how accurate they can actually get if they have to carve every notch into the groove.
Some bread is! Check the ingredient list. When I bake at home, I use whole wheat flour, water, yeast, a tiny bit of salt and oil.
Things I do not include when I bake at home, which I found from the first hit I got by searching for "bread" in a local Norwegian store's web site: E 472e emulgator, E 471 emulgator, margarine, dextrose, E 300 flour treatment, amylase enzymes, xylanase enzymes.
Shorter ingredient lists can be a good rule of thumb, but things like E-XXXX can just be regulator names for regular things.
E-330 is citric acid which is lemon juice
E-621 is MSG which is just more meaty tasting salt from seaweed sources instead of rock.
The E classification is for regulation testing, not a label of how processed something is.
Another rule of thumb other than ingredient list is who made it. Your local baker will probably have a less processed method than a mega factory like Bimbo Hovis or any other macro manufacturer that can put 1000 loaves in every supermarket in the country every day
Most of the packaged pre-sliced bread in the bread aisle (as opposed to the bakery area) of American supermarkets is full of ingredients not traditionally used in bread, or used in food at all until recent decades. Bread made with flour, water, salt, and yeast (plus maybe olive oil, butter, eggs, sugar, herbs etc) is not considered ultra processed.
Most US made bread contains hundred additives and a good dose of sugar on top of them. Just check the list of ingredients on your supermarket bread, you'll think again about eating twigs. For comparison, my bread I get in my village (but also in the local supermarket) has exactly three ingredients (usually, unless it's some specialty).
Bread can be ultra-processed depending on how it’s prepared.
Better question is why you don’t think a packaged bread product with HFCS and preservatives designed for a long shelf life would be considered ultra-processed.
You could make your own bread so you know what is in it, and how much should be in it, and that way you’d know the difference, and probably be better off knowing you don’t have to forage twigs and berries, or be so dramatic…
> ackchyually everything is made of things, checkmate
ok, well continue eating dog shit products designed by megacorps for the sole purpose of profit maximisation then, what do you want me to tell you? We've been eating veggies and fruits for hundred millions of years without any problem but 4 decades of processed food skyrocketed all of our lifestyle related health issues.
> We've been eating veggies and fruits for hundred millions of years without any problem
Whatever people were eating even 200 years ago have literally nothing to do with fruits and veggies we have now after selection and artificial evolution usually via radioactive exposure because GM is baaad.
Also people wasn't all that much healthier and neither they lived so long.
> but 4 decades of processed food skyrocketed all of our lifestyle related health issues.
Chemical composition have nothing to do with it. Too much of sugar or salt or some other things is the problem though.
But you can as well get the same health problems from eating too much fruits. E.g grapes and mangoes have more sugar than coca cola.
> Whatever people were eating even 200 years ago have literally nothing to do with fruits and veggies we have now after selection and artificial evolution usually via radioactive exposure because GM is baaad.
> In the last sixty years, there has been an alarming decline in food quality and a decrease in a wide variety of nutritionally essential minerals and nutraceutical compounds in imperative fruits, vegetables, and food crops.
> Chemical composition have nothing to do with it. Too much of sugar or salt or some other things is the problem though.
No shit sherlock, the very exact things ultra processed food are riddled with, I'm truly shocked
This thread is full of people listing all the arguments against ultra processed food while failing to connect the dots to the conclusion, it's very perplexing
>We've been eating veggies and fruits for hundred millions of years without any problem
That's impressive considering humans have existed for about 300,000 years. Also famine and starvation was a fact of life for much of the population until recently, but I guess that's not a real problem.
> That's impressive considering humans have existed for about 300,000 years.
Right, I guess before that we simply did not evolve from anything at all, we just popped into existence a monday afternoon 300k years ago. I can't believe how dense this forum became, the energy spent in bad faith arguing that ultra processed food actually is good for us, are you paid for it at least ?
That you will try and educate yourself in the nuances of a complicated topic like nutrition and wont advocate for anti intellectual and anti scientific shorthand doomerism that makes people less educated and capable of distinguishing healthy habits?
> We've been eating veggies and fruits for hundred millions of years without any problem but 4 decades of processed food skyrocketed all of our lifestyle related health issues.
None of this is true. We have been dying of starvation, food borne illnesses and nutricional deficits for millenia, industrilisation and post war economies have replaced that with hyper caloric ultra processed food that hand in hand with more sedentary lifestyles have skyrocketed a limited amount of health issues like cardiovascular problems.
We dont die of iodine deficiencies because we added it to salt, we dont die of scurvy because citric acid is common and citrus fruits plentiful, varied diets and better agriculture means locusts, bad weather, insects and specific harvest destroying pathogens happen less often and dont kill all our crops.
Btw in our modern world places like italy, the basque country, japan still have incredibly healthy populations. They mostly eat veggies, fish, fatty oils and walk alot. Their portions are also smaller than in places like america. And its not like ultra processed food doesnt exist there, or that they dont use chemicals in their food production.
It's horrifying to see the state of bread in some nations.
I really don't get why/how one of the simplest processes known to civilization needs a stock ticker and a Hogwarts-worth of chemicals thrown into it. It's really quite baffling.
The state of some of the processed packs of 'bread' I've seen/tasted shouldn't be allowed to trade using the name, tbh.
Is it really that baffling? People expect their bread to last more than two days, and it has to stay on the supermarket shelves longer than that. Of course you can cook your own bread and eat it quickly, but it's not very practical for a lot of people.
Is it really lazy to not be able to go the the store every couple of days? Seems like a lot of work and fuel consumption to avoid some preservatives, especially considering that there's no evidence of them being harmful.
This is the biggest thing that I've constantly heard about GoPros... I get that they're small and portable, but what good are they if you can almost never use them?
They even made them a little bigger, and they still overheated...
All because they had to have the top line specs for video, pushing the little SoC to the limit while recording. The heat makes battery life worse, too.
And even if you don't need WiFi + BLE for a particular project, you may need it for other projects, and it might have value for you to standardise on one ecosystem.
I know of a place that still uses PL/B, and apparently the language is a hellscape where keywords like "for" or "to" can be redefined on the fly. It sometimes takes a debugger and a copy of the spec to find out what actually happened in a program when it goes south.
Design, no... but I've definitely thought about letting one route traces... while autorouters work, I was hoping Claude could do matched traces better. At the time, it didn't want to generate the kicad pcbnew file though. /shrug
Everyone is different, but board layout is one area where I aggressively don't want any LLM input until such a time as it is as good at board layout as it is at refactoring code.
We're still a ways off from that, and that's likely because board layout requires a much more nuanced perspective of the enclosure shape, power requirements, heat dissipation, RF...
It's really not about placing ICs with caps nearby. I actually really enjoy that part anyhow. That's the fun part!
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