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I remember him tweeting about how he can "feel the AGI" when speaking to GPT

Another meaningless, extremely cringeworthy, tweet, hailed as a messianic message by many at the time.

Yeah, it's hard to say if he's doing marketing because that's his job or if he's really swallowed the whole pill

Is it really hard to figure out that the owner of a company, who personally stands to make 100s of billions, would be doing marketing when talking about said company? Do they not teach critical thinking anymore in schools, did it go away with phonics too? Why would you ever ignore the MASSIVE conflict of interest here, it's just really foolish but it's endemic not just in tech journalism or journalism in general where people just take the words of others and not apply any critical analysis to them.

It's all access journalism now, waste of time.


> Is it really hard to figure out that the owner of a company, who personally stands to make 100s of billions, would be doing marketing when talking about said company

The question isn't about what action he's taking, it's about what motivates him under the surface. Obviously what he is doing is marketing. What I'm curious about is whether he truly believes his own marketing or if he is just doing it because its his job


People that are good liars are good at it because they are lying to themselves at the same time. Even if they can initially compartmentalize I believe after a while it gets them too.

it won't be creative because it's a transformer, it's like a big query engine.

it's a tool like everything else we've gotten before, but admittedly a much more major one

but "creativity" must come from either it's training data (already widely known) or from the prompts (i.e. mostly human sources)


how is it "doomed"?

The cost far outweighs the profits.

i am already on api tokens for the chinese open source models and no subscriptions. these are all available in the original form open source and priced above the inference cost. i think this is the long term option.

zero degradation in speed or quality seen.


So you see better performance with the API plans than the subscriptions?

there are consumers who legitimately drool over RGB

this is actually scary as fuck

I thought with Workspace you'd actually be spared from this kind of BS

I guess not?


you're paying for the privilege of getting locked out by the same algorithm that locks out free accounts. the only difference is you get an invoice.

I've seen this blog slop on Google for the last month or so, no action taken whatsoever. it's mostly bullshit or regurgitated info from docs.

like Google or their Search team really doesn't seem to care at all. all of a sudden a random blog website just happens to rank first page on every topic


Google is not incentivized to show you good results. You don't pay them, advertisers do and that is who they are working for.

Their job is provide you just enough "results" that you don't or cant go any where else.

No more, no less.


Louis Rossman recently posted a video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=II2QF9JwtLc) where he had Gemini replace his 10+ year carefully curated content with AI slop and he instantly shot (back) up to the top of the rankings. They're very clearly favoring their own generated generic content rather than any sort of organic, well written or well informed entries. Shame.

There's AI features and tips in Youtube's Creator Studio, they are encouraging creators to use AI tools. Makes sense that they also then reward videos that make use of it. That's how these platforms nudge people into products and behavior that they want to bring to market.

Google used to prioritise search quality. About six years ago they decided to enshittify. Slop with more adverts is promoted over quality with fewer adverts. This isn't speculation. It came out in emails released as part of antitrust discovery.

To reiterate: Google search is shit now because they want it to be.


Sounds like a good argument for using Kagi.

it all makes sense if you know how Korean software is like.

buttons being jpegs is the norm


wow imagine that, astronauts having to communicate with the outer world??? that's insane....

I'm not either. I think it may look "cool" visually but when trying to work with code with those in it, it seems odd, like that it's a single character even though it's not and it just breaks the flow

I think a big problem is the fact that many web frameworks allow you to write these kind of complex apps that just "work" but performance is often not included in the equation

so it looks fine during basic testing but it scales really bad.

like for example claude/openAI web UIs, they at first would literally lag so bad because they'd just use simple updating mechanisms which would re-render the entire conversation history every time the new response text was updated

and with those console UIs, one thing that might be happening is that it's basically multiple webapps layered (per team/component/product) and they all load the same stuff multiple times etc...


The Grok android app is terrible in that sense. Just writing a question with a normal speed will make half of the characters not appear due to whatever unoptimized shit the app does after each keystroke.

Sounds quite overengineered. CEOs have basically no idea what they're doing these days. If this were my company, I'd start by cutting 80% of staff and 80% of the code bloat.

Don't know if this is satire, but I do wonder if Musk uses the Grok app himself.

As someone who knows xAI employees, he does use it a LOT and reports bugs very often afaik

The "very often" part is wild to me. You'd think being an engineer himself[0] he'd fix the root cause: the testing process, not work as an IC QA himself.

[0] He holds the title of Chief Engineer at SpaceX.


Holding the title of engineer does not make one a good or capable engineer.

Does he use Android?

Even if he does, he for sure doesn't use a cheap and slow phone ordinary people use.

it's unironically just react lmao, virtually every popular react app has an insane number of accidental rerenders triggered by virtually everything, causing it to lag a lot

well that's any framework with vdom, the GC of web frameworks, so I'd imagine it's also a problem with vue etc..

I don't understand though why performance (I.e. using it properly) is not a consideration with these companies that are valued above $100 billion

like, do these poor pitiful big tech companies only have the resources to do so when they hit the 2 trillion mark or something?


Vue uses signals for reactivity now and has for years. Alien signals was discovered by a Vue contributor. Vue 3.6 (now in alpha/beta?) will ship a version that is essentially a Vue flavored Svelte with extreme fine grained reactivity based on a custom compiler step.

One of the reasons Vue has such a loyal community is because the framework continues to improve performance without forcing you to adopt new syntax every 18 months because the framework authors got bored.


It's not a problem with vue or svelte because they are, ironically, reactive. React greedily rerenders.

It's also not a problem with the react compiler.


The React paradigm is just error prone. It's not necessarily about how much you spend. Well paid engineers can still make mistakes that cause unnecesssary re-renders.

If you look at older desktop GUI frameworks designed in a performance-oriented era, none of them use the React paradigm, they use property binding. A good example of getting this right is JavaFX which lets you build up functional pipelines that map data to UI but in a way that ensures only what's genuinely changed gets recomputed. Dependencies between properties are tracked explicitly. It's very hard to put the UI into a loop.


Property binding and proxies really didn't work well in JS at all until relatively recently, and even then there is actually a much worse history of state management bugs in apps that do utilize those patterns. I've yet to actively use any Angular 1.x app or even most modern Angular apps that don't have bugs as a result of improper state changes.

While more difficult, I think the unidirectional workflows of Redux/Flux patterns when well-managed tend to function much better in that regard, but then you do suffer from potential for redraws... this isn't the core of the DOM overhead though... that usually comes down to a lot of deeply nested node structures combined with complex CSS and more than modest use of oversized images.


Nobody gets promoted for improving web app performance.

Yes, they do. OGs remember that Facebook circa 2012 had navigation take like 5-10 seconds.

Ben Horowitz recalled asking Zuck what his engineer onboarding process was when the latter complained to him about how it took them very long to make changes to code. He basically didn't have any.


From: https://hpbn.co/primer-on-latency-and-bandwidth/#speed-is-a-...

> Faster sites lead to better user engagement.

> Faster sites lead to better user retention.

> Faster sites lead to higher conversions.

If it's true that nobody is getting promoted for improving web app performance, that seems like an opportunity. Build an org that rewards web app performance gains, and (in theory) enjoy more users and more money.


yep. I think this is the root problem, not the frameworks themselves

If it's slow people also stick around for longer if they have something they must accomplish before leaving.

They have no real competitors, so anything that makes the user even stickier and more likely to spend money (LinkedIn Premium or whatever LinkedIn sells to businesses) takes priority over any improvements.

> well that's any framework with vdom

Is it time for vanilla.js to shine again with Element.setHTML()?

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Element/set...

It's a bit unfortunate that several calls to .setHTML() can't be batched so that several .setHTML() calls get executed together to minimize page redraws.


Well, their lowest tier devs, they have started firing and churn a lot... combined with mass layoffs... and on the higher end, they're more interested in devs that memorized all the leet code challenges over experienced devs/engineers that have a history of delivering solid, well performing applications.

Narcissism rises to the top, excess "enterprise" bloat seeps in at every level combined with too many sub-projects that are disconnected in ways that are hard to "own" as a whole combined with perverse incentives to add features over improving the user experience.


I think linkedin is built with emberjs not react last i checked…

The problem with performance in wep apps is often not the omg too much render. But is actually processing and memory use. Chromium loves to eat as much ram as possible and the state management world of web apps loves immutability. What happens when you create new state anytime something changes and v8 then needs to recompile an optimized structure for that state coupled with thrashing the gc? You already know.

I hate the immutable trend in wep apps. I get it but the performance is dogshite. Most web apps i have worked on spend about 10% of their cpu time…garbage collecting and the rest doing complicated deep state comparisons every time you hover on a button.

Rant over.


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