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Because it's not wrong when "we" (i.e. those naming who counts as APT) are doing it.


That sounds more like "peace through superior firepower" rather than "war is peace".


There's a vast gulf between "having" superior firepower as a deterrent and "using" superior firepower for mass murder, particularly against elementary schools and desalination plants. The latter is war, at its worst.


Can we be literal? It means peace through using superior firepower to kill people.


Sure, but it's not equating the states of war and peace, but asserting that war is a method for achieving peace, presumably when everyone on the other side is incapable or undesirous of attacking or threatening same.


Are we forgetting the context of who started the war?


It's just not relevant to the statement "I'm punching until they can't punch back" who threw the first punch.


I'm not sure I follow.

What I mean is that it makes no sense to say you're fighting a war to achieve peace if you're the one who started the war, breaking the peace that existed before then.

If peace is your goal, then the status quo was already in line with your goal. Starting the war contradicts your stated goal of peace.

Do I really have to spell all that out?


There are at least two ways to view this in the "war for peace" proponents' favor, I think:

First, it could be that you believe that war is already happening. In this case, Israel and other opponents of Iran might think that the status quo was a shadow war, and they are just continuing the war in a way that is to their advantage.

Second, even if peace technically exists at the moment, one side might believe that the other is moving toward war, and if allowed to complete preparations, will be significantly harder to overcome when they start a war in the future. In that case, preemptive war might be thought to engender peace in the medium or long term.

We don't have to agree with these casus bellis to acknowledge that they are at least superficially reasonable justifications, presuming they fit the facts.


Right. Only problem is, I wouldn't usually take into account hypotheticals that don't match reality. And neither would any reasonable person.


It got to the point that now there is a "SSecretary" of War.


Security is like insurance - it is something you kind-of don't need until something bad happens and when it does, you wish you had it.


The strongest few did. The likes of pets.com did not.


People being grabbed off the streets and transported to prison in unrelated country is what you voted for?


The people who are in the US illegally, 1000% yes.


What about the US citizens that also got hauled off by unmarked white vans?


You’re okay taking a massive economic hit, removing large amounts of population from the country? Who cares if they’re “illegal” or not? Why does it matter if they’re less criminal than US born, and harder working? And don’t give me, they use services, I work for Medicaid and they don’t get it. So why? You just dislike brown people?


What economic hit? Yes, they're illegal and we don't care how hard working they are, they can go be hard working in their own countries. The US is not a soup kitchen. If you want to come here, go through the official process. If they bring as much to the table as you claim, they'll have no problem getting a visa.


> If they bring as much to the table as you claim, they'll have no problem getting a visa.

Nah, you see the fundamental problem here is that (based on Biden's estimate), there's about 10 million or so, and that 60–70% of all U.S. agricultural workers and 15–20% of construction workers are such people.

They do this at a pay rate that is both higher than they'd get in their home country, and lower than any American would work for. This itself, being too cheap, precludes them getting a work visa: https://www.dol.gov/agencies/eta/foreign-labor/programs/h-2a

What they bring to America is: your food.


Where is this massive economic hit? GDP and stock market are up.


> stock market are up.

Multitude of sins being hidden by the devaluation of the dollar there.


So same as it ever was? Or just still happening but hopefully at a lower rate of change.


The dollar has fallen pretty drastically against other major currencies since the start of the year. That is, this isn't loss of value in the rather abstract monetary inflation sense but "dollar is down 15% relative to euro in under a year" (that's a pretty rapid shift in such a short timeline).


Ok, so? That doesn't affect most of wage earning Americans. You are cherry picking something to generalize everything being bad.


A decline in the dollar absolutely does impact most wage earning Americans. Those wages are being paid in dollars! A decline in the dollar on that scale will tend to lead to higher price inflation.


> Where is this massive economic hit? GDP and stock market are up.

Stock market recovered when Trump TACOed, it crashed hard when he tried to implement his actual policies.


Not the question that was asked.


And you support this being done with no due process, meaning we just have to trust Trump and his cronies when they claim someone is in the US illegally?


If there is anything Trump is doing popularly, it’s aggressively removing illegal immigrants from our streets. To the extent there is tolerance for Fourth Amendment violations, it may be from historic indifference to enforcing our immigration laws.


https://www.economist.com/interactive/trump-approval-tracker

The aggressiveness is losing people who may have supported his immigration policies initially.


They gave him his second term, he doesn't need them anymore.


> aggressiveness is losing people

Losing, but hasn’t lost. Point is if someone is proudly pro-Trump right now, immigration probably isn’t going to prompt introspection.


This is it, exactly.

I used to be a very "live and let live" type of person.

Then the relaxed "let live" part got abused. I've seen what happens first hand having lived in NYC for 6 years, and now living in London.


100% And most don't realize that many EU nations have tighter restrictions on immigration now than the US after seeing what effect lax policies have on their nation.


.. and people who are legal immigrants, and people who've just left immigration court, and of course some actual US nationals.

It's amazing the power of fear of crime to get people to demand the Federal government jackboot.


You can do arbitrary REST API calls from n8n, which greatly increases the integrability surface.


Decamillionaire?


India provides crore for 10 million but i can’t tell if it should be croraire or croreaire


Da-millionaire



Libpostal - street address parsing and normalisation library that relies on downloadable NLP model.

https://github.com/openvenues/libpostal


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