That was awesome, thank you

Dcevm is regularly released from JetBrains as part of their JDK. https://github.com/JetBrains/JetBrainsRuntime

Also with 'Java on Truffle' on GraalVM you can use enhanced class reloading https://www.graalvm.org/latest/reference-manual/java-on-truf...

I think hot code reloading did not look that good in a very long time.

Apologies, I didn't mean to imply DCEVM went poof, just that I was sad it didn't make it into OpenJDK so one need not do JDK silliness between the production one and the "debugging one" since my experience is that's an absolutely stellar way to produce Heisenbugs

And I'll be straight: Graal scares me 'cause Oracle but I just checked and it looks to the casual observer that it's straight-up GPLv2 now so maybe my fears need revisiting: https://github.com/oracle/graal/blob/vm-23.1.0/LICENSE

Seeing more java postings recently. Maybe hacker news thinks java got it's mojo back?

Java continues to get immense real-world usage, as it has for decades, so it will continue to make headlines. Meanwhile, each trendy lang will make headlines for a few years as 4 startups gush about it before they move to the next trendy lang.

Waiting on the whole async dead-end to come to terms to cheap threads here. It's going to take a long time, but let's not kid ourselves: the TCO-driven accountants hold the roots of true power.

java dev experience is better than any language. tooling, docs, reach, etc

You might then be interested in Fedora CoreOS, we use it with Hetzner cloud and real Hetzner root server with good success. (Also with ovh)

I can test it. What would be the advantage if I use it in my tool instead of Ubuntu? At the end of the day with Kubernetes I don't think it makes much difference which OS you use. I picked Ubuntu because it's standard and servers with this image build very quickly with Hetzner Cloud.

CoreOS (and its spiritual successor Flatcar) are immutable, which gravely limits the silliness that can be done to them post-launch. We use now use Bottlerocket since we're on EKS, but it's even more locked down since to even get an interactive shell is some major hoopjumpery. I believe Talos goes even further and is completely devoid of a shell

So, yes, it absolutely matters which OS you use, of course depending on your threat model and tolerance for "no, you don't get to ssh onto a Node and do whateverthehell you want"

Is this like java flight recorder?

We use wsl2 with podman, works good.

His stuff is still around, maintained and very useful via: https://github.com/TravaOpenJDK/trava-jdk-11-dcevm

They say, that java on graal should have full hotswap. https://www.graalvm.org/reference-manual/java-on-truffle/hot...

GraalVM

I know Hacker News doesn't like java a lot. I just want to speak up: I love Maven, Wildfly, IntellyJ and JAVA. Kudos to the brilliant minds behind JAVAs evolution: Brian Goetz and Mark Reinhold.

Hetzner has usually 10 minutes for bare metal.

In all the years I’ve been using them they’ve never hit 10 minutes for my orders. Usually > 4 hours and < 6 hours though on AX and other “standard specification” boxes.

On PX where you can specify NVME and other configuration, more like 2-3 days (particularly if the order was placed on a weekend).