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I am also against a throwaway society but there comes a point where you need to accept old computers/vehicles/toys/instruments/tools are beyond your ability to maintain/use them. If you want to fork over some money semi-regularly or learn how to do it yourself, it becomes an ornament. Somehow expecting 20 year old computing hardware to be supported now, free of charge, in Linux is a valid criticism. 20 years ago, setting that computer up was a nightmare for non tech-savvy folk but current distributions need to support your horse and cart.

edit "but many over pay for the best of everything simply because they are unwilling to understand what they really need or learn how to make do with less" - old man yelling at clouds


It's also trivially easy to pick up five year old computer parts for a few of whichever monetary unit you use. Ten year old stuff will run perfectly and is often free. Twenty year old? That's entering hobbyist territory. The effort required to support those with modern OS'es is completely out of proportion, and makes little sense, and in terms of power consumption such an old computer is not a very sustainable choice either for the performance you'll get.


5 year old enterprise hardware is only now leaving its warranty cycle.

10 year old laptops can take either 8 or 16 GB RAM and have at least 2 cores + hyperthreading. It'll not just run perfectly, but it'll run even the most bloated Linux distributions or Win 10 just fine.


Right, 10 years ago is e.g. Sandy Bridge Core 2 Duo systems. Thinkpad X220, things like that. Potentially even has USB3 and an SSD already, or can be upgraded.

20 years ago is AMD Duron and Pentium 4, pretty much just getting past single-core 1 Ghz (various 1.x GHz variants were announced during 2001). very different world.


X220 is technically 9 years old, that gives you USB3, two SSDs, and a whopping 16GB RAM.

The exactly ten years old X201 is limited to 8GB RAM, but you can retrofit USB3 with an ExpressCard adapter and it can take one SSD. Two with the optional docking station.


It's not 2020 anymore ;) X220 launched early 2011.

Not all X220 models had USB3 though, only the i7 variant did.


That expands your options even more. Workstation laptops of that age could take 32 GB RAM, unlike the shitty little subcompact ultrabooks that could only take 16 GB.

Man, imagine buying a laptop with only 16 GB RAM today.


It's a bit complicated. Linux the kernel no longer supports certain machines for valid reasons. However, many if not most userland tools (with the exception of these that actually use certain CPU extensions) would gladly run on an 386 if compiled for it even if the current kernel version doesn't support it.

The problem is, you need the whole system to support, say, 386. So one solution would be to use the last version of your distro supporting it, and then compile each new piece of software. Realistically, you would use another (modern) machine for cross-compilation of any significant piece of software, and you will definitely encounter some interesting quirks. Nevertheless, it's doable, as long as you are willing to accept you're running an unpatched kernel.


So in a nutshell, install gentoo


Almost infeasible because of much longer compile times and higher memory requirements for doing so.

If you have access to systems capable of doing that, usually the need for using such old systems doesn't exist. Except if you'd like to have some X-terminals, or hand them down (refurbished) to relatives, some community projects, or similar.

I'd go for something like Antix because that way you have access to the almost infinite binary package repositories.


Epic "it used to be a game site"

Apple "oh a store?"

Epic "more like TMZ, but less factual"


"entertainment space"

it looks like the play store with more usage tracking.


as a tech savvy 93/98/109/138 year old man/woman/undisclosed in this security focused world we live in, I have yet to be quizzed by any provider of online services to verify my A/S/L other than that one time your mother was in IRC


So they didn't realise Mr Zhu was Asian until now? This is some real Scooby-Doo shit.


At one point I tried using AWS trial for an app, didn't work out, cancelled the account (or so I thought) only to find 2 years later some charges to my bank of $2k and when I spoke to AWS support, there was another $4k accruing for this billing period. Took ages to sort out, while they eventually did refund the amount, I was still out of pocket exchange fees (X2) the exchange rate also meant I was out more money. In total I think having a compromised yet closed AWS free trial cost me $350 over a 6week period some 2 years after closing it.


All I want is a proper modular phone that can run linux. I dont need camera, happy with a fat phone for battery space, etc. please let it happen one day.



now i just need to live in EU and I'm set


In my hometown in Australia, there was a shopping area (small chain grocery store) and a newsagent. Across the road was a foodhall, real estate agent and adult book store. Once the book shop went, the area struggled to keep customers and it became fast food and people travel to the next suburb for groceries. Maybe all shopping centres really need is access to porn?


frustrating that the ongoing use of bitcoin is never going to require less power. transactions take ages because of how much work is required to update the chain.

when the imaginary currency goes away, maybe we can move onto something more efficient like giant rocks with holes drilled in them?


sell it as an nft.

nft is 2020/21's monorail.



there will come a day when i think read more before commenting. today was not that day. sorry


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