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RAM trucks are almost exclusively driven by young-to-middle age-ish men. Additionally they'd be easily stereotyped as, well, assholes. It's no surprise that RAM is consistently near the top of tons of these lists because they're being driven by aggressive morons, on average.


Did you hear the output examples? Yeah, I think not. I mean, definitely on the way, but there's no way if you need quality acting in your dub that you're going with this.


These are models specially tuned and sized for near real-time, instant translation. It would be naive to think that there aren't technical creatives building and training models tuned for expressiveness and nuance in a more controlled environment.


Maybe not in the current state of the model, but judging by the rate of improvement we’re all seeing it’s just a matter of time (and data+compute+research obv).


That's what they gave us plebs. To think they don't have a superior one they can sell...


i think the key word is will.

a few more years of improvements if they happen could be disruptive


Not the deepest topic, but:

Can someone explain to me why there seems to be such a high correlation between being high on the totem pole and lazy bits of written word? In this case, Sam can't be assed to bother with capital letters. For other people, it's abbreviations or some other unnecessary bit of laziness. I don't get it. In my experience the higher up you are in management the more you do this sort of thing.


He’s not exactly in the age group, but quite a lot of young people have auto-capitalization disabled on their phone. Basically aesthetics.

At the end of the day, as time goes on, the methods of communications change as well. It does not exactly correlate one’s intelligence, intent, societal status or whatsoever. Prevalent use of emojis would be the simplest example.


How could disabling auto-capitalization influence aesthetics?


i’ll bite.

it might sound dumb to you, but not capitalizing sentences properly amongst certain groups effectively means you’re not concerned with the optics of being viewed as someone who “doesn’t know grammar”.

it sort’ve displays a certain “I know proper grammar but I don’t really care to prove it to you”.

edit: and as others mention, it can be seen as less formal and friendly as well

don’t shoot the messenger :)


personally i just find this easier to read. capitalization breaks flow and parsing for me.


> capitalization breaks flow and parsing for me.

It can also break meaning though. Try de-capitalizing:

* I helped my Uncle Jack off a horse.


also: mobile autocorrect is garbage on so many devices its better to just turn it off. no one has time to shift case on mobile manually.


i turned it off on a whim, but this is the reason why i keep it off.


less is more and tone is everything


I’ve had a few company’s I’ve dealt with where the ceo writes: name hi,

And it really throws me - I’m spending hours ensuring my emails / communication covers all angles and then they reply with this salutation.


Where I come from that means you can adopt a looser style as well, and don't need to bother writing formally with that person. It's considered "friendly".

In fact in German it would be really awkward if one person stuck to formal language when the other makes an attempt to be informal - sticking to it is like saying "keep your distance" and could be a little hurtful for the person who tried to be informal.

I'm curious how this is supposed to play out in English.


About 5 years ago, my CEO emailed me with something like 'yo! can you do me a favor'. Middle management was CCed on the email thread and when I responded something like 'Sure! Happy to help', I was chewed out by my director for being informal and thus disrespectful...


That is an excessive response by the director. I wonder if the CEO would have approved of the director's comment if you emailed an apology to the CEO, identifying that the director made the comment ("I apologize for the excessive informal language in my email, as noted by Director X; I look forward to completing the assignment."), as the CEO may have deliberately been trying to create an environment where seniors are more approachable.

In any case, I try to always write in full sentences for professional communications as a minimum (even if there are sprinkles of informal language)—I'm more comfortable writing this way at work, and it has the added benefit that it's hard for a third party to make a similar comment like you've experienced.

(At the other end, it can also be seen as too stiff and uncomfortable to be overly formal, even to supervisors. I've seen this where I had a direct report who was excessively formal at first. By encouraging him to open up and speak more openly, I believe that created a foundation for a more trusting work environment over time, which encouraged him to take more initiative and share his ideas when solving some problems that we were later facing as a team.)


A mismatch in formality is noticeable too in English, from my experience. It think it's a bit more subtle compared to other languages, as there is no formal "you" (in contrast to "du" versus Sie" in German, "tu" and "vous" in French, "tú" and "usted" in Spanish, "你" and "您" in Mandarin, and examples in other languages).

However, one difference in English is with greetings. If you are coworkers, especially at around the same age and seniority, it feels unnatural to say "Dear ___," versus "Hey ____" or "Hi ____" (experiences may vary based on organizational culture). It's noticeable with texting, too. If you were to use formal punctation and end all texts with a period (such as: "Hi." or "I'm fine."), the texts may be perceived as less friendly (in contrast to: "hi" or "no prob, it's all good").

I believe that informality in English communication is often a signal of how close the relationship is. Though some people speak with others with a high level of formality even in their close relationships (or alternatively, speak informally in nearly all contexts), a change over time from formality to informality is often a sign of growing closeness and trust. Long story short, this plays out the same as you've described the effect in English, at least for personal relationships.

For professional relationships, it depends on the person and the organization. I generally try to roughly mirror the level of formality of the person who I'm speaking with. However, if I'm reporting to a person with higher seniority than me, I do try to have at least a minimum level of formality. Even if a CEO were to send a text in a very friendly and informal way, I would try to be polite but at least semi-formal.

More explicitly, the Korean language makes the different possible levels of speech clearer. This source [1] identifies five to six levels of formality in Korean (Wikipedia identifies a higher seventh level reserved for historical dramas, addressing royalty, and religious texts). So, even if a coworker were to address me with the Korean equivalent of "plain" or "intimate" speech ("heya {name}", all in lower case), I've found it the most comfortable to respond in at least a familiar or polite way ("hey {Name}..." or "Hey {Name}"...).

That way, there is both a sense of respect and a sense that there is an attempt to match the person's level of familiarity. There is then less of a chance that a person might feel uneasy due to either too much familiarity or excessive formality on my part, which makes communications easier.

[1] https://socialsci.libretexts.org/Bookshelves/Anthropology/Li...


That was a more in-depth response than I could have possibly hoped for. Thank you!


Very interesting take, thank you


https://phdcomics.com/comics/archive/phd072508s.gif

They're busy and they don't give a damn because they don't have to.


There's some Picasso quote about like, you have to demonstrate you can follow the rules before you can break the rules.

Grammar and punctuation is a competence signal, but once you've demonstrated you can do it (by getting to the top) it's not necessary.


They're often very busy people responding to a LOT of messages/emails/things. It's better/easier to just write your thought and hit send because you actually get it done. If you think about it too much it really does slow you down. For important things, I'm sure they're all capable of writing with correct grammar but for things that are unimportant-- just mash the keys and hit send.


It looks very childish to me.

Capitalisation and punctuation provides a form and rhythm to written prose. When you scan (English) prose, your eyes very quickly pick up the start and end of a clause or sentence via the capitol letters and certain marks. English lacks nearly all accents and other "letter adjuster marks" that other languages enjoy. That generally means that when you see a mark of some sort in an English sentence it is a form of containment and not a change of sound.

That means we have a lot less sound adjusters, which means we end up with a lot more "local knowledge". A silly example: Slough and slough - the first is a town in Berkshire and the second is what snakes and crabs etc do to their skins/carapaces to grow to the next size.

That said, English is extraordinarily tolerant of pronunciation in most cases. You may not know the "correct" sound of a word but a bit of a dabble (try slightly different approaches) will get you there.


Reminds me of when drivers of expensive cars don't indicate when changing lanes.


Not "high on the totem pole" but I type like this on work chat because I want to get the message across quickly and punctation doesn't matter. For emails or other communications I always use proper punctuation.


Because he has no scribe now - it’s real Sam. An architect drawn some chicken scratch on a napkin and others make it happen. Also, how is the prose in the Google emails from the trial?

This is the Guggenheim, https://architectelevator.com/architecture/famous-architects...


Not needing to add padding is a form of status signaling


I'd guess because they have nothing to prove.


I think it's an affectation more than anything else. For an educated person typing on devices with, at a minimum, autocorrect for capitalization, I think it has to be a conscious choice. The worst part of me says it is ego/arrogance played off as a casualness or being beyond triviality.


> typing on devices with, at a minimum, autocorrect for capitalization,

posting from a windows laptop and Firefox, i get no autocorrect for grammar like capitalization. only firefox was detected as a work that needed to be capitalized.


Agreed.

"Look, world, I care so little about being dumped, I don't even need to make an effort. Plus, I've got brains and more money than I can count."

Next level: Bond villain.


Maybe if all his posts before today weren't all lowercase.


That makes it even worse. So well-known and so much responsibility, yet so little care. If he can't even be professional when tweeting, why should we trust him with more? Probably good he's gone.


or maybe they know that using capital letters and such is just a convention that doesnt hinder understanding of text.

if you could read my comment then i've proven my point.


They arguably have more to prove than most people, since they're under much more constant scrutiny


And going with this, they use their time wisely, not to add punctuation to boilerplate tweets.


Trying to improve your efficiency by not capitalizing the words is like trying to get rich by not buying lattes.


Why waste time use lot word when few word do trick?


Funny bit, no real-world nuance.


I'm not too sure what you mean here


Ironically then, more words would help?


Doubt.


why even tweet


i think it's asking the wrong question. more interesting would be to understand how their style changed prior to becoming ceo.


"what are ya gonna do, fire me? lol" - sama


It's not uncommon practice that originates from newspapers.

Writing all low case is way to make sure that everybody understand the writing is just a draft, not ready for printing, or not final or official correspondence.

Editor could not just send it to press without proofreading and editing it.


I disagree. It is either simply lazy or (charitable interpretation) ... lazy.

No journo. or professional writer I know would ever forget to hit the shift key for some sort of weird "convenience". It is harder to write all lower case prose. Hit . + and you are primed to hold left shift for the next character with your left or right small finger (pinkie).

We humans mostly have five digits per hand. Even a single finger "poker" will manage to hit shift too, when appropriate.

Many years ago I used to teach a hand written correction markup used on manuscripts. Delta for delete, triple underline for change of case, the correct way to route clause moves etc. You put the change in the body and a symbol in the left margin for each change. To accommodate these changes you use 1.5 or double space inter line in your draft. You might also allow a slightly larger margin but that is generally optional and probably wasteful. The marginal indicator markers can be a bit "loose" - its hand written so an asterisk and a foot note is always an option for really tricky cases. When it gets too bad, the spike is the final home for the piece (or an open fire).

Your experience of journalism is rather different to mine.


All low caps is faster if you need to write as fast as possible. Think news wire people reporting news like "three shots were fired at president kennedy's motorcade in downdown dallas". The old teletype machines had only one case anyway.


I'm 53. Morse and teletype were both well before my time - I did not have to engage with either directly. I recall that a "wire" was sent in all uppercase, with STOP for full stop/period.

My mother used a manual typewriter and then later golf ball etc. I did too. She and I were virtually incapable of not using shift. Smacking physical keys is rather satisfying and you tend to pause first before hitting them. Its a very different discipline to modern word processing. Worrying about case will come very low down the pecking order compared to speling (lol).


it's soft spokenness conveyed orthographically


I guess this can be considered a Machine Learning question. At least I assume we can try to answer it using linear regression.


Jobs written well. The laziest he was is he never changed his email signature on his iPhone and iPad.


e.e. cummings was such as asshole :)


It happens everywhere and with everyone. I wouldn’t read into it that much. Personally I find the lack of capitalism more sincere and I see everyone at every level on the totem do it.


i just want to dump my thoughts on internet and indicate that im on the go. orthography adds extra layer of complexity and its already pretty tough for me to force myself to write aynwhere. adhd things. but yeah, its boomer artifact.


i see no such correlation

you have been misled by sample bias

people lower down in the org do the same or worse

basically under-35s view punctuation and speaking in complete sentences as boomer artefacts

not my choice just telling it like i see it


It's the same reason Zucky wears a hoodie and Musk smokes blunts on TV.

they dgaf :)


I don't know about Zuckerberg but Musk is a workaholic nanomanager. I am quite certain he do gaf. Like, the type that would relentlessly and unilaterally enforce no-tabs in the code base, no matter how many hours wasted.


I think it's less that they dgaf, and more that they are working really hard to create a personal brand of someone who dgaf.


The practical reason _is_ that it's fun and you like it. That could be enough.

I'm not too concerned about that being a reality in our lifetimes though.


I think this take is pretty BS. I'm not claiming sainthood or anything, but I don't drive like an insane person either, and every time I've driven a Tesla (which is at least semi often, my parents own one) it just goes HAM beeping at all sorts of shit, and it jerked the wheel weirdly on me at least once when it seemed to get terribly confused about what was actually a lane or not.

Moral of the story, the features are far from perfect, and I would prefer the number of times the car moves the wheel for me to be 0.


> and it jerked the wheel weirdly on me at least once when it seemed to get terribly confused about what was actually a lane or not

Not in a Tesla, but I've rented 3 cars as of late where driving through construction zones with shifting lanes caused the wheel to jerk constantly as it thought I was leaving a lane.

I'm aware enough to catch it and so on, but man it does not come across as a safe feature in that regard. I would be curious to see what amount of testing is done for this scenario, since construction is a common enough thing to encounter.


For both my Tesla model 3 and my Honda Odyssey, I turn all the alerts on and have adjusted my driving until I don’t routinely get them. One thing I’ve noticed is just how bad the typical driver is at maintaining a safe following distance: the recommended “2 or 3 second following distance” one finds in things like the California driver’s handbook (and Texas’s as well as just about every drivers ed course I’ve seen) is several times longer than the typical following distance in most of the U.S.


Heh, I put in "grapefruit" and it gave me just an absolute mess of like 100 grapefruit slices and then added a bunch of smoke over the top when it "removed the background".

Then I tried "day gecko" and the output absolutely rocked. So I guess my first try was unlucky.


It loves giving me 100 of someone. I'm wondering if there are sticker pack-like images in it's training set.

And then, yes, the background removal takes away half of these and leaves smoke.


Yeah. Comcast is shorting me by a solid 50Mb/s and this is the reason it's annoying. On top of the fact that their garbage excuse for a website is literally completely broken. Every time I've tried to use it for the past year it just sticks me in a login loop. What a truly miserable company.


I recently discovered that using the Verizon website on Firefox is pretty much impossible, it similarly has nightmarish login/account issues. Whatever issue the browser has with the site even managed to break their new account flow on two installations I've had done in recent months. The installation and appointments were scheduled and performed, but nobody in their support teams can find either account in their systems and I have not received a bill.

1Gb symmetric at both locations in NYC though and a free Xbox One S and $300 Visa giftcard.

They have essentially paid me to use them as my ISP, and contact from their support teams attempting to figure it out is getting increasingly infrequent


Congrats! Once in a while, the stupidity in systems like this finally works in your favor.


Yeah, I also find that weird. I mean, don't get me wrong, I'd love to not have a car and I'm all for public transit/biking/walking, but I bought my car (which I love) - a brand new Focus ST for 28k in 2013. I spend maybe $3k a year on gas and maintenance, insurance etc, (I don't drive much) bringing TCO to ~6k range. If you have to drive a huge amount obviously that's not realistic but for a city like Seattle where you kinda need a car, but only for certain things, it's absolutely possible.


I don't think it's a _complete_ waste. It's better than it was before, but, it's absolutely true it could've been done much, much better than what we got.


The thing I've never really understood about this is... to what end? I get that, on a philosophical level, it sucks that in theory your privacy can be violated and that choice has been taken from you.

But on a practical level, that's just wildly unlikely to ever happen or ever have an impact on a normal person's life, so why stress about it?

Don't get me wrong, it's not to say we shouldn't advocate for govt. orgs not doing this sort of thing - but I also don't know why you'd spend so much time and mental energy trying to avoid a theoretical bogeyman.


This is similar to the flawed "nothing to hide" argument. "Nothing to fear"?

Data is eternal, and is analyzed and aggregated forever. Just because there's nothing realistically to fear _today_, doesn't mean that a future AI won't find reasons in that data to label you a terrorist/murderer/wrongthinker, and apply whatever policies are deemed acceptable at that time. We're really not far off from a Minority Report future.

This may happen by accident, BTW. "Whoops, we sentenced you to prison on a wrong conviction" happens far too frequently. People spend decades getting out of the system once they're already in it, and lives are ruined by this.

You can think of all this as hypothetical, but realistically, there are other concerns as well. Do you trust your government to keep the data they collect on you safe from corporations and other governments? Aside from the top intelligence echelons—and maybe not even those, I'm not sure—governments are awful at information security. Data leaks can happen anytime without your awareness, at which point you can only hope that you're not an interesting target for whoever now has access.

Also see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nothing_to_hide_argument#Criti...


> But on a practical level, that's just wildly unlikely to ever happen or ever have an impact on a normal person's life, so why stress about it?

Because, one day, you will make a mistake or say something wrong. And then they will correlate this wirh all the information they have about you.

Remember NKVD ? Remember STASI ? Remember Gestapo ? Remember CIA ?


Currently in the United States, several people who organized a bail fund for protesters are sitting in jail on terrorism charges.

In the 50s, people who organized civil rights bail funds were called in front of the Anti-American Activities Committee to be blacklisted from their careers and communities.

If anything, privacy is incredibly important because the powers at be continue to prove they will use state-sanctioned violence against people who protest these systems. We like to tell ourselves its only those other bad countries, but rights in the US are just as delicate. Enough money or power behind a charge and you have to real ability to uphold your rights.


I always wonder about consequences for today's children. One can't take away those things from them as all friends use it, but who knows who might have all the information about them in 50 years time, for whatever purpose.

All the information on who they are friends with, where they hang out, maybe even contents of images or text messages, the searches they did on the net. In a period of the life where the try out many things and often are curious. And then combined with details about their whole life and career.


> One can't take away those things from them as all friends use it

I personally assure you that you can. You also don’t need to have cable tv, YouTube or unlimited video games. The positive impacts can be significant

I denied cellphones, live tv, anything with ads, unfiltered internet, Roblox, TikTok and many other things until they were 16+ and could demonstrate self restraint and future-oriented decision making abilities.

Don’t abdicate your responsibility to your own flesh and blood to anyone.


I've largely removed ads from my life about 5 years ago. I've saved so much money not being manipulated into wanting something I didn't really want and certainly don't need.


> Wildly unlikely to ever happen or ever have an impact on a normal person's life, so why stress about it?

Every time government abuses its power and isn't held accountable, the likelihood of future abuses goes up. Eventually the frog is fully boiled, and "wildly unlikely" becomes "commonplace."


> But on a practical level, that's just wildly unlikely to ever happen or ever have an impact on a normal person's life, so why stress about it?

Even assuming that's true for an ordinary person, which I don't think it is, let's consider what constitutes an ordinary person. Maybe it has no effect - if you never run for office. Or if you never participate in a political campaign. Or if you never challenge the political status quo with direct action. Or if you never run a business and express views that could be viewed as potentially threatening the status quo. Et cetera. In other words, it's fine if we're controlled as long as you're ok being controlled. But if you think, "I'd like things to be different," you're in danger, because the police and other government orgs know everything about you.


Don't ever speak up, don't ever take a position, don't ever have a thought.

But even that's not enough.

Stuff can happen that's not under your control. Suppose you're accused of a crime because you fit a profile or were in the wrong place at the wrong time. Or you're actively framed for a crime because you fit a profile close enough. Or suppose you witness a government official being corrupt or breaking the law. Or suppose you don't take a bribe and those offering the bribe take revenge. Or a psycho develops an infatuation with you and stalks you. Or you piss off the wrong person in an online game and the 2030s version of being "SWAT"ed is getting ratted out to the wrongthink police by some snot-nosed teenager.

The fact is that no one should hold this data about anyone. No one should have that kind of power. That's the bedrock of privacy.


Not just privacy, but egalitarianism and justice. A society is not fair nor just when its members hold asymmetric power over others.


But on a practical level, that's just wildly unlikely to ever happen or ever have an impact on a normal person's life

Wait for an advanced AI to get hold on that information. Not even for its own purposes, just one serving a rival power.


every once in a while I take a look at someone's phone who is not techically saavy.

Constant stream of beeps and buzzes, notifications, text messages and phone calls from unknown origin, phishing attempts and more. They are conditioned to enter their phone number or email for the most trivial of reasons, to use apps for everything, and to leave them on their phone forever, sapping their attention and privacy.

I think it's nice to see people pushing back and telling others about it.

I think you should help normalize the pushing back, not the giving in.


For the same reason you vote, stop buying products, and read history books.

To shape the society you want to live in.



> But on a practical level, that's just wildly unlikely to ever happen or ever have an impact on a normal person's life, so why stress about it?

There are a number of ways to answer this.

This is the type of mentality that led to sudden surprise with "What? We have to take our shoes and belts off? Not just those guys but us?" It is an example of how ignoring the issues could end up having them affect you.

At the time of this writing, there are over 270 comments in this thread. I submit to you that it is very likely that multiple commenters have been directly impacted. I've known two people charged with bogus terrorism offenses. One of them stuck it out, had his day in court, and was acquitted - at the cost of over a million dollars in legal fees that his family had to pay. The other guy was not as wealthy and was presented with a fantastic deal by the prosecutors that he took the deal and pleaded guilty. He's out of prison now but with that record, his life is ruined. And he very likely was not guilty.

Another guy I know was messed up by the government on similar grounds - it destroyed his livelihood and cost him his marriage. He did, however, manage to (mostly successfully) sue the government for what they did to him, although one of the suits went to the Supreme Court and he lost the case there. He didn't have the means to mount these lawsuits - thank heavens for the ACLU who did it on his behalf!

I know a few people who were on no fly lists for extensive periods of time. They were never accused of anything. Just all of a sudden ... could not fly.

My gentle suggestion is that you expand your social circle to get to know how not rare these things are.

I also submit that more people are directly impacted by this than are directly impacted by gun violence. Would you agree we should chill out about guns?

If you're white, you are a lot less likely to be impacted by police brutality than an African American. Would you argue that white people shouldn't be bothered by the issue?

Having said all that, I do agree to the utility of what you are saying. I tend to be more concerned with corporate surveillance than government surveillance, and have gone extended periods with primarily cash purchases and limited CC usage. I didn't get a smartphone for a long time for the same reasons (and oh boy, when I did the privacy loss was very palpable). And yes, I can say right now that I have discovered that the utility of using those devices and paying with CC definitely exceeds the risks - for me. I have automated flows tied to both and they are very valuable.

Still, though, the comment you are responding to is not discussing anything extreme. I've not installed GrapheneOS but I have installed custom ROMs like LineageOS. It's not a big burden. An hour of effort perhaps? The main down side was things like Netflix not letting me download episodes and the inability to use Google Wallet (which I didn't want to use anyway!)


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