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https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/issues/14203

Would be a massive win that's fairly narrow in scope. More generally, being able to send arbitrary LSP commands to the server and see the response, even if it's just a text dump, would be super useful.

Love the project! I would say the only thing stopping me from moving over full time is a Git porcelain, but I'm sure you guys know that. Keep up the great work!


It's crazy to me that more people don't realize this. You're working crazy hours, have no meaningful hobbies or life outside of work... and for what? No one's going to remember that you built some nice feature in some bit of software in 100 years, or even 20. Enjoy your life, enjoy people and community and activities. You can still get paid incredibly well as an engineer, more than enough to live comfortably, and work a normal 40 hour week (or less).

People prioritize weird shit.


It depends on how many years you do it, and how early. It's quite the trade in your 20s: Think of the freedom and peace of mine an extra couple of million in the stock market can give you. Then you slow down, celebrate, and know that you can let that money make more money on interest than you do from work. Reach the mid 40s? The pile has grown than enough to retire very comfortably.

The trick is that you have to know when to stop. I have a friend who ended up traveling with an oxygen machine, because she worked 80+ hour weeks for one too many months, and ignored a pneumonia.


Gotta stop gambling *before* you lose.


I've been reading books about the history of computing, stuff like "The Soul of a New Machine", "Showstopper!" and "Revolution in the Valley" -- all these people working massive unpaid overtime. I guess some of them got stock options. Part of me wishes that I could care as much.


If you're married/kids it usually happens by 35. If you reach 'enlightenment' after that you can't cut back easily (wife and kids accustomed,even maybe feel entitled to expensive private school etc etc), and if you do your family will often simply divorce you then the judge will impute your income for CS and alimony at the high amount you made before. If you scale back, they put you in a jail cell, take away your licenses, your property, and revoke your passport.


Not to judge too much, but that sounds more like the outcome of a crappy relationship rather than a universal experience.

Not exactly related, but ... I will admit, I'm occasionally mind-boggled by family court. Male rape victims have been made to pay child support because its not the child's fault that his mother was a criminal.[1][2]

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermesmann_v._Seyer 2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_fatherhood#United_State...


Child support is nearly universally enforced at least on paper. The incentive is to divorce quickly after a high earner scales back to lock in the high imputed income. You see sky high divorces in recently unemployed persons as spouses scramble to lock in CS and alimony against their recent earnings.

These are the acts of calculated actors getting in on the take as incomes reduce, to lock in the income stream.


Important if true. What is your evidence?


Studies such as this for example show highly elevated divorce risk after forms of layoff or termination.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11150-020-09506-x


Wouldn’t that most likely be due to the increased stress on the relationship of reduced income?


I think it might be a bit of a post-scarcity thing. A bit like how we don't cope well with the easy availability of lots of macronutrient-dense foods that exists in many developing nations, and our physical health may be suffering for it.

Similarly, once upon a time people needed to work whenever work was available so that they could secure the resources they'd need for times when it wasn't. That may still be the case in some industries. But in tech it's not like that. If anything it's the opposite. Extra work tends to just create even more extra work, which won't necessarily be compensated because you're salaried. Sure, you might get a raise or promotion, but that's not guaranteed. The reward mechanism uses gachapon mechanics. Which works out great for the company's owners in exactly the same way that loot crates are more profitable than more honest forms of game design. Whenever I see people sharing anecdotes of that one acquaintance of theirs who was a tech workaholic and was handsomely rewarded for all that extra work, it puts me in mind of a billboard for my state's lottery that says, "Only players win." Or the motivational dreck that MLM companies like Herbalife feed to their members. People seem to have trouble recognizing a scam when there are some token people for whom it actually worked out well.

And no, it's not healthy. The High Price of Materialism by Tim Kasser is about 20, 25 years old now, but summarizes a lot of the research on this sort of thing as of that time. Long story short, you get caught up in chasing the dragon.


This kind of exactly misses the point the comment you're replying to is making. The point isn't that just complying and handing over your info is the ideal goal. The point is that, pragmatically speaking, it's a lot easier to just do that and move on with your life than making a big scene about standing up for your ideals - because A) You're not going to change shit in that situation anyway and B) It's just going to make it harder for you.

> Something a schoolyard bully would say to the kid who's too small to defend themself but refuses to comply.

Yeah, probably right. But, also, yeah, easier sometimes to just appease the bully and move on with life.


Most of those aren't defending any ideals, they are making content to put ads around at the expense of tax money in the form of wasted police activity to engage with them.


"We have evaluated ourselves and come to the conclusion that our performance is outstanding!"


> as if the Roman empire wasn't on par with the western empire today

Huh? I mean, no, technologically it... definitely wasn't. Remind me how many teraflops the most powerful Roman computer was capable of?

The Romans were plenty advanced, sure, but that's just a nonsense statement.


> Remind me how many teraflops the most powerful Roman computer was capable of?

Bad metric. We could go to the moon in the 70’s, and had supersonic passenger planes, and we could build at scale.

Today California can’t build a train, building a nuclear powerplant takes 20 years and we can’t go to the moon and don’t have supersonic passenger planes. So we have partially regressed despite having more terraflops


"Can't" vs "won't" is a huge distinction. All the examples you provided are either economically non-viable, bureaucratic landmines, or believed to be pointless. You can argue whether those arguments are justified, but the point is we didn't forget the technology.


Indeed politics, culture and posturing can be strong incentives that change the economics balance.

If the Roman empire had one thing as advanced as our modern states that wasn't technology per se but the politics, the politicking the perverse incentives to do something to show for and a public whose murmur mattered.

If some city official decided to impress visitors with some smooth roads perhaps he found a solution that wasn't strictly the best economically but perhaps it had other advantages that helped him getting a promotion?


I think this is pure copium. It’s use it or lose it - if you ‘won’t’ and chose not to build nuclear reactors for 40 years, then wake up one day and decide to do it, you will find that you can’t.

Experience engineers will have retired or found other jobs. Knowledge is gone. The books have been lost, etc. If you haven’t been to the moon for 40 years, then you can’t any more. That’s two generations of people.

Ability is not like a statue that you keep in a museum. Even a car will not start after sitting the garage for 10 years. Organisations and people fall apart even faster.


But we do go to the moon om a regular base. Just not with humans, as robots are cheaper.


They had huge stadiums, though.

Modern people had very little idea why you would have a stone stadium until around XX century.


Most importantly: Null pointers still exist (yes I know they technically exist in unsafe Rust, to head off any pedants)

Also: No `?` operator



Oh! Cool somehow I missed that


Pedants would say that null pointers exist in safe Rust too.


Noise level seems huge. I don't have one, but every place I've stayed that has one the noise they make drives me insane. I would be really trepidatious about installing one in my place for this reason.


>stay hoovering

Hehe, I too love vacuuming.


No, that's Hoovering. case sensitivity is important /s

Edit: added /s for those unable


I've never seen anyone capitalize googling or astroturfing, though my dictionary seems to want to capitalize Xeroxing.


No one does that. Except perhaps the PR and legal departments of the Hoover company.

I suppose you capitalise aspirin as well.


This has already been the case for primarily fitness oriented GPS watches / heart-rate trackers / etc for some time. Bluetooth, but even longer using ANT+, which is quite a bit more battery efficient.


> Although, the joke you tell your friends is that it only works if they open their mouth and stick out their tongue like a satellite dish.

I cannot wait to trick someone into doing this


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