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Can someone explain to me if EU card transactions are capped, why Stripe charges me (US) the full ride on my EU customer's cards? In fact, I get charged even more for EU cards – perhaps as much as 2.5% extra.

I just checked and I get charged ~8% in fees on a 10 euro transaction on Stripe. Of course some of that is the low transaction amount (flat 0.30), but it's brutal for a small business like myself.

    2.9% + 1.5% (intl card) + 1% (currency conversion) + 0.30

    Payment amount (€1.00 EUR = $1.15253 USD)
 
    €10.00 EUR -> $11.53 USD

    Fees

    Total:    - $0.93 USD

    Stripe currency conversion fee 
    - $0.12 USD

    Stripe processing fees
    - $0.81 USD

    Net amount
    $10.60 USD
I guess the NA interchange is charging the card, rather than the EU? Could using a MOR reduce the fee structure?

The EU only capped interchange fees, which is the amount that goes to the bank that issued the card. It did not cap the fees that go the your PSP. Which makes sense, since you can pick the PSP you do business with, but you can't pick the bank that issues your customers' cards.

(And I don't think it applies to US merchants like you anyways)

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_15_...


perhaps they are capped only for EU merchants, because EU government works to protect their own companies and citizens from foreign artificial unregulated monopolies.

in US, the government is more protective of private monopolies due to lobbying


How are you defining monopolies? Companies that are successful? Because you seem to be defining most US companies that do business in Europe as monopolies. It seems that this is the kind of mindset that has kept Europe behind. Too bad. Regulation that keeps out competition or needlessly puts obstacles in place is bad for the consumer, bad for employment, and bad for the general standard of living. And If you think US companies are unregulated then you haven't seen the 20 ft of federal CFR regulations together with the regulations of 50 different states that US companies have to deal with everyday.

Monopolies are one-two companies that capture the market and lobby the government to fortify the regulatory capture via:

1. regulatory bloat, artificial increase in cost of business to prevent new competition

2. lack of anti-trust enforcement, government fails to protect the consumer and instead protect the monopolies' income


Yeah, you don't live in the EU.

Interestingly, the EU did manage to cap interchange on US cards paid by EU merchants to pretty much the same rate as that paid for domestic/intra-EU cards, at least at the POS. Many things are possible with a regulator with teeth.

You're not in EU so the full stack is happy to charge you whatever it can.

Uh… more profit?

I personally don't agree, and my experience is that RSCs embrace the inherent complexity of building websites. All websites span the server and the client to some extent. Giving you the tools to wield those boundaries is actually a bid for developer autonomy and flexible control over user experience.

It is complex because the domain is complex. Though it requires a deep understanding of the web as a platform, most high-level websites could net-benefit from the ideas behind RSCs. I don't find it to be quite as much of a footgun as most people would suggest, but if you don't understand both server and client in a deep manner it is, of course, confusing.

Happy to dig in deeper for anyone who wants to have an honest discussion about the benefits and drawbacks without dropping into FUD. Even if you decide it's not for you, all web developers could glean something from their model.

It's also always worth noting that RSCs don't require a server, and still bring value without one.


It's a shame that VCs have corrupted a $200MM/year business into the perception as a failure. Who cares if the VCs didn't get a large return, or if the outsized impact of the software didn't quite fully capture the value created. $200MM/yr without aggressive R&D or operational costs could be an incredibly healthy business.

Maybe we should stop trying to build so many billion dollar/year businesses and work on more sustainable models.


I haven’t followed Docker’s case in particular, but how much investment was required to get it to that point? If it’s a case of “How do you become a millionaire? Start as a billionaire and invest in Docker”, then the perception may have some basis.


Please do not wash your authentic writing through an LLM.


Workers runtime is open source and permissively licensed fwiw

https://github.com/cloudflare/workerd


Yes but that is just a tiny part of the whole CF worker ecosystem. The other services are not open source and so the lock-in is very very real. There are no API compatible alternatives that cover a good chunk of the services. If you build your application around workers and make use of the integrated services and APIs there is no way for you to switch to another provider because well, there is none.


Though this would be mildly annoying for the earnest case (selling a ticket to a friend), it would be the actual solve to the problem.

The parent's suggestion still creates artificial scarcity, which is the real issue: people buying tickets they have no intention of using.

The problem is that the artists, venues, and ticketing companies benefit from this artificial scarcity. So we'll never see it change.


It's really up to the artists. Many are surprisingly cool with it, though there are a few notable exceptions (i.e. Prince). Sounds like the artist in this particlar case gave their blessing.

Many bands (like GD and Phish) specifically note in their rider that venues must allow and provide space for tapers to bring their rigs in.

A sibling comment in this thread pointed out my project Relisten[0], which now has over 4,000 bands who have given explicit permission for people to tape, record, and share their concerts non-commercially. We've been operating our FOSS platform for 12 years, and most of the audio is hosted by Archive.org. I can't tell you how many bands have begged us to add them to our platform.

[0] https://relisten.net (https://github.com/RelistenNet)

(The 4,000 number will be coming to web soon - it's available today on our mobile apps)


Prince had intense business instincts, not just for becoming a vertically integrated multi-instrumental composer manager, bandleader and of course prodigious artist. Its rumored that to ruin the market demand for his bootleggers, Prince started his own sockpuppet bootleg label, that eventually released over four hundred CDs of content. Concerts, studio alternate cuts, and of course After-Shows. That label is curiously named Sabotage.

Whether the rumor is true or not, I can't confirm. What I can tell you is it's an amazing soundboard quality collection of his work product that I'm still not all the way through exploring after it briefly circulated among fans for a brief moment shortly after his death.

1. http://tonio.lagoule.free.fr/prince_BootsCats_Sab.htm


> though there are a few notable exceptions (i.e. Prince)

There was an episode of "What's Happening" when Rerun gets in trouble for bootlegging a Doobie Brothers concert, does anyone remember? It aired when I was a kid and now I somehow still feel guilty when I listen to bootlegs.


"Doobie or Not Doobie (Part 2)", S2E17: https://youtu.be/XFlGY3hC4LM


Yup, just remembered around ’99 I bumped into “Rerun” in full costume dancin’ for a small crowd in the parking lot of a Sugar Hill Gang concert in Santa Monica. Didn’t carry a camera in those days, as they weren’t allowed inside anyway. :-P

All I have left is a very fuzzy memory.


Well. Just wanted to say how much I appreciate Relisten. I listen almost every day.


Oh hey, it's me! Happy to answer any questions

We landed an update on mobile last week that brought all 4,000 artists with a "collection" onto Relisten. That'll be coming to the web and sonos shortly as well.

We've been discussing the Aadam Jacob's collection with the archivists for some time. It comes with its own unique UX[0] and data constraints so we've been iterating on that and waiting for a critical mass of uploads before tackling it. We're getting closer though.

I agree with most of the sentiment in these comments. Archive and share non-comercially all the things!

[0] it's not "one" artist so it requires some custom UI, it should be unified through a single Aadam Jacob's collection, and it has a unique data path/structure on Archive.org relative to other collections


4 1's == 4/1

could just be a coincidence


really appreciate you building and maintaining it! state machines are the truth!


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