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To play devil's advocate, I honestly don't think it's hard to determine that from the data.


what data? if i let a passenger use my phone to check something while i’m driving this will negatively impact me.


The phone usage data. You use a phone very differently when you're driving and when you're a passenger.


Great. Now they're not just analyzing my driving habits, but they are also analyzing my porn habits.


Indeed they do. As I said, devil's advocate...


Huh, how? Why would someone have a vehicle with someone else's internet connected camera inside?


a lot of modern automatic driving stuff has cameras to track your eyes, and I think for built in dashcam stuff maybe?

and if it's in the car it's Internet connected now.


I don't think it occurs to the average person that when you buy a vehicle, some parts of it might still be "someone else's".


Why would society not mandate cameras to make sure the operators of thousands of kilograms of metal at high speeds are paying attention to the road instead of their phone? And to be able to punish them if they are not.

Assuming pedestrian and children’s safety is a priority.


That can and should be done without phoning home. It's the invasion of privacy that's the issue, not the safety feature itself.


That’s true, as long as the footage is saved to a device that is not tamper-able.


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While I align with your views on this matter, talking to people this way is how you drive them to entrench in the opposite view.


> Assuming pedestrian and children’s safety is a priority.

It really isn’t a priority (in the US anyhow) otherwise we’d have far more and far better public transportation.


For the same reason you don't wear remotely controlled collar on your neck that paralyzes you in case you're doing something dangerous.


A recording of whether or not a driver is distracted driving to be able to prove it is not analogous to a collar that paralyzes someone.


I don't see any difference. You can and will do harm and we just want to prevent it. The collar goes in different styles and colors, you'll love it.


I guess being permanently paralyzed because someone rams into you because they were checking their texts or TikTok is not harm, but a video recording of someone not paying attention to the road is harm.


Did you just float "won't someone think of the children?"


Why wouldn’t I think of children?

Isn’t one of the most common ruminations of modern society that children cannot roam freely due to excess risk of being hurt or killed by a distracted driver?

https://www.consumeraffairs.com/news/these-vehicles-may-pose...

>IIHS says pedestrian crash deaths have risen 80% since hitting their low in 2009. The statistics show that 2021 was almost as deadly to people on foot as last year. Nearly 7,400 walkers — more than 20 people a day — lost their lives in 2021 after being struck by a vehicle.

Airline pilots get recorded, why shouldn’t drivers?


> Airline pilots get recorded, why shouldn’t drivers?

AFAIK, general aviation pilots are not recorded. Black boxes are only a thing in commercial aviation, so a more appropriate analogy would be the recording of bus or semi-truck drivers.


There is far less moral hazard as a general aviation pilot because death/grave injury is far more likely in an airplane collision, whereas a personal vehicle driver is relatively safe, especially in vehicles most dangerous to others

Regardless, what is and is not required of all pilots is beside the point. The point is society implements a safety/accountability measure to prevent x rate of injuries/deaths…but society does not implement the same safety/accountability measure to prevent y rate of injuries/deaths where y is far greater than x.

The discrepancy is because it is politically unpopular to hold the people causing the larger rate of injury accountable (voters who drive personal cars), whereas it is politically popular to hold the people causing a smaller rate of injury accountable (commercial pilots).


>> "won't someone think of the children?"

> Why wouldn’t I think of children?

The g-parent describes a narrative that is designed to seed an untrue notion that no one is thinking of the children.


How to turn on Apple Intelligence on EU iPhone?


Future generations will be dumbfounded why didn't everyone just ask the computer to get what they need.


You can measure productivity by measuring the success, but that's kinda useless for day to day software engineering management.


I tend to go by results, and for me, "results" means shipped* code that is used and accepted by end users**, can be maintained and extended***, and doesn't generate trouble tickets.

* MVP doesn't count.

** Can include users inside the organization.

*** It's OK if it requires senior-level ongoing support. I think expecting it to be maintained by monkeys is a bad idea.


To me, "MVP doesn't count" feels like a crazy take -- in many roles, the _only_ ask is to produce a series of different MVP's. I guess maybe the definition of "MVP" is a bit squishy, and these people-who-ship-MVPs themselves make MVP-MVP's, which shouldn't count as shipped?


I spent most of my career, shipping finished product, which, in many cases, probably could have benefitted from an MVP-like "tuning phase," but we called that "beta." I think MVP generates more useful feedback, but I really don't like thinking of an MVP as "shipping software."

I also worked for hardware companies, where shipping stuff had some pretty serious stakes, and learned how to make sure we got it as good as possible, before getting it out the door.

I like the idea of evolutionary design, and "tuning," but I think it's a bad idea (for me) to deliberately ship bad software as an end-product.

(Also, MVP, by definition, generates lots of trouble tickets. I am allergic to trouble tickets. It's totally a personal thing, but I live by it).


saying "MVP doesn't count" implies that you throw it away and then right "the perfect system" at some point. If you've ever had an MVP land you know that's not how it happens.


I write "as close to perfect" as I can get. I know that "The Perfect is the enemy of the good" is a popular meme, but I have found that "The perfect is something to strive for" has been useful, for me.

In fact, my way has been working for me, for decades.

I'm quite aware that many folks do it differently, and that's one reason that I try to "keep it in the I," and write about how I do it, and talk about the bar that I set, for myself.

Most of the software I write, is free software that Serves a pretty small demographic. It can have a fairly outsize influence on the lives of the people that use my software, and I really care about the end-users of my work, so I tend to set a pretty high personal bar.

I'm quite aware that I don't have many of the stressors that beset commercial software houses, so I sincerely don't feel "snooty." In fact, I feel profoundly grateful to be in a position, where I can follow my muse.

I really would like it if folks wrote better stuff, but I am also aware of the culture, and how that's next to impossible, these days.


How do you define success? If a product bombs, is that because of the engineering or the product design?


I don't think it's possible to answer generally. Track what matters for your business.


if it's successful, it's because of sales. If it fails, engineering didn't build the right thing / was too slow - it really doesn't matter.


The thing is, ChatGPT can do quite a lot. Using it for many different tasks with minimal adjustments is note worthy.


People thought there was not enough bureaucracy and wonder why it's not improving after adding bureaucracy.


It's not really some words, it's more like you won't be able to get more than a page out of it and even that is going to be so wrong it's basically a parody and thus allowed.


I’d love to see you try to defend this notion in court. Parody requires deliberate intent to be humorous. And courts have repeatedly held that changing the words of a copyrighted work while keeping the same general meaning can still be copyright infringement.


It's not just "changing some words". The majority of words will be different, sentences will be different. The general meaning might be generally the same, but I don't think that's enough to claim copyright protection.


I didn’t use the word “some.” Please don’t misquote me.

As I said in the comment you’re replying to, there’s case law proving you wrong.


Good thing that's not global, right? I'm not in the US, our courts work differently.


I’m sorry for assuming that you were (though you could have mentioned this in your reply). Most of the large AI companies relevant to our discussion are based in the US.


Will that remain true if they have copyright issues in the US?


(I'm not the other commenter)

I suspect that most of the large AI companies relevant to this discussion will remain based in the US.

Most of the money is in the US, China, and the EU. China won't allow any LLM that accidentally says mean things about their government, the EU is worried about AI that may harm individuals by libelling them.

The Chinese models may well completely ignore western laws, but if they're on the other side of the Great Firewall, or indeed just have Chinese-language UIs and a focus on Chinese-language tokens in the training… well, I'm not 100% confident, but I would be somewhat surprised if, say, JK Rowling was upset upon discovering that western users attempting to pirate her works via a Chinese chatbot were getting a version of Harry Potter that begins with the title literally being "赫奇帕奇巫师石(哈利·波特与魔法石)" (as ChatGPT just told me the Chinese version starts. Google Translate claims the first three characters are "Hufflepuff").

Even if the rules aren't any harder (as I'm not a lawyer, I can't tell if the differences in copyright rules will or won't make a huge difference in compliance costs), it's likely easier for American companies to lobby the American government for what they want done to make business easier.


You could argue intent. The model has no intent to infringe. No mens rea.

AI models will get broad federal immunity is my prediction for 2025.

I'll bet DOGE coins on it.


AI models are not entities that can be sued, accused of a crime, or given legal immunity, to my knowledge. But I get the gist of what you’re saying.


Do you mean that the economical output of astronomy and this industrial project is comparable?


You don't know whether they seeded anything. Or anything recognizably copyrightable.


Fair, when someone says torrenting I assume bidirectionality, but they may have blocked outgoing packets in order to comply with some interpretation of the law.

Given that llama was originally “leaked” via torrent, I have this assumption that meta folks are Pirates in spirit tho, and wouldn’t leech without being told explicitly, but then, being told not to upload would be legally perilous too since it would hint that they are aware of the illegality. Meta’s defense here seems to be “Officer I swear I didn’t know that wasn’t allowed”, testing the legal theory of transforming copyrighted work.


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