We don't see people worried that bars, nightclubs, liquor stores, tobacconists, R-rated movies asking for age verification will slip into requiring names too.
It honestly looks like an emotional panic. People who take seriously slippery slopes aren't to be taken seriously themselves.
Social media is like e-cigarettes in the sense that the shift toward nicotine salts (think Juul) around 2015 resulted in e-cigarettes becoming more dangerous and thus more age-restricted.
It's also like consumer credit cards. Remember that in 1985 Bank of America just mailed out 60,000 unsolicited credit cards to residents of Fresno, CA without application, age verification, or identity check. They just landed in people's mailboxes, including those of minors. Eventually a predatory lending industry developed and we increased the age and ID requirements. My point is that systems can, and do become more dangerous overtime. Not all, but not none.
Algorithmic feeds, online advertising, and attention engineering are the nicotine salts of social media. The product's changed, so should the access.
>We don't see people worried that bars, nightclubs, liquor stores, tobacconists, R-rated movies asking for age verification will slip into requiring names too.
Do we not? Sellers often don't just look at IDs now, they scan them into their system, and naturally, keep and sell your identity info, purchase data, and anything else they have access to.
>Algorithmic feeds, online advertising, and attention engineering are the nicotine salts of social media. The product's changed, so should the access.
This basically makes it clear. The problem is not that children are on social media. The problem is that "social media" has been allowed to become a platform for exploitation and manipulation by their owners. Adults aren't free from this either.
Digital age verification laws I've read also literally specifically ban recording that information, unlike in person. People were arguing with me that companies would decide they need to retain that info for audit purposes when there are no audit requirements and when it's illegal to store it for any reason.
> People who take seriously slippery slopes aren't to be taken seriously themselves
> Eventually a predatory lending industry developed and we increased the age and ID requirements
I have no idea if you're arguing for or against verification. You dismissed the idea that age verification is a slipper slope to more stringent ID requirements. Then provided an example where the exact opposite happened.
I'm not arguing that social media will get worse, I'm arguing that it has gotten worse. A slippery slope argues that something will happen. I'm pointing out that it has happened. Huge difference.
Even more, my point is that rules, regulations, and requirements adapt when these changes become unbearable. That has happened with social media, therefore a change in rules, regulations, and requirements is deserved.
At a basic levels, access layers should be aware of operations that are Read-only and operations that are Write/Delete. It should be easy to give agents access to read anything, then require permission/prompt to execute any state changing operations.
That is, unfortunately, not an argument. To apply your line of thinking to the OP, would you say that "children displaying Tourette's symptoms from watching a YouTuber is a reversal of cause and effect"? The OP does not make that conclusion, and most of this comment section accepts that as well. I, like GP, would be interested to hear how this would be reconciled.
This is a valid criticism. What you have highlighted is a shortcoming in my ability to elucidate this topic.
My comment is more an invitation to explore the argument yourself. This isn't a formal debate where I've shown up prepared with notes, I didn't know I'd be speaking about this topic today. If I tell you what I know, you can think about whether it makes sense to you, and you can use extract search terms to research and learn more. You don't have to take my word for anything, but I don't have to remember how I learned something to participate in a casual forum conversation either.
That being said, I am starting to make an effort to catalog resources and be able to share them, because I do think it makes my comments better, but this is a work in progress. C'est la vie.
As to how this argument relates to the Tourettes-like symptoms discussed in the article, these are simply different phenomena. It's reasonable to observe this phenomenon and ask, "Does this apply to other phenomena?", and in the case of the increasing number of open trans people in our society, I'm telling you the answer is "no" and doing my best to explain why.
Not all scientific discussion is pleasant to hear, but it would be worth discussing, even if flagged and down voted, rather than "We were always at war with Eurasia".
Our neural networks have learned that people tend to say "I'm sure I'll get downvoted" right before or after saying some nasty racist or sexist shit. So, maybe avoid the phrase if you aren't doing that.
Compare to an extreme example of a market selling one watermelon for 5 dollars, and 5 watermelons for 15. Sure, the latter is a better deal, but I definitely have no use for more than one melon, and the arbitrage opportunity is not worth my time. In the same sense, I and many others do not need more than 1 deodorant at a time and I would rather save my space.
Most SNL skits are comedians pretending to be real people. There’s no need for SNL to declare that “the following skit is a parody”, it’s obvious.
On Twitter, it’s certainly less obvious, but the absurdity of the parody should give it away without having to state “parody ->”, which punctures the whole setup.
Plus, there’s all kinds of other comedic speech that’s not parody that can have similar misleading connotations for comedic effect. If those have to be clearly labeled “jokes”, then you’ve neutered comedy.
Strong aversion to longtermerist bs and concern for growing hostility toward many of my users (trans, lgtbq, etc). I don’t want to moderate UGC myself directly and have even less trust now in hate content being moderated by using their platform for extending my customer community
