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I am not sure that their goal (<200mb ram) is really related to their approach (using a built in rendering engine for the same exact source material) at all.

Figma is far superior to the native apps it replaced. As is VS Code. Slack.

One could (and I would) argue that they achieved that despite their web-tech-based UIs, not because of. At least those of us who were around for the days when most apps were still native, do notice and get bothered by the input lag, for instance.

Slack is, in fact, one of the worst offenders. It is so incredibly sluggish. And it doesn't need to be, when I compare it to the speed (and memory consumption) of Pidgin with the Slack plugin.


Async comm in web apps often keeps them responsive when the native app experience is: spinner... spinner... spinner... spinner... lock up the window and you can't move it... spinner... spinner... spinner... "should i reboot the whole machine first thing or should i try killing the app with task manager and starting again?"

Their killer feature, being able to share a link with anyone at the company and instantly collaborate (live!), is made far easier on the web platform vs native. “The input lag” frankly does not matter in the big picture, imo.

> As is VS Code.

That is, uh, controversial.

Along both "alleged replacement" and "alleged superiority" axes.


What’s an example of a well made GTK or QT app in your opinion? And what would be the steel man Web app to compare that to?

Telegram Desktop (Qt)

We might contrast that with Slack, yes?

This thread comes to mind: https://www.0xsid.com/blog/wont-download-your-app With Slack that’s trivial, Telegram impossible.


Except Telegram Desktop is opensource and they also have full-functional Web version.

But tdesktop is really well-made Qt piece of software, snappy, feature-rich and multi-platform.


Interesting, at first pass I’d say the source availability has little to do with the topic at hand. But on second thought it might be rather significant. No company would finance making 2x identical cross platform apps, but if you have a pool of OS folks who are free to contribute at their leisure, the calculus changes a bit.

But isn't the whole point of linked article is that author doesn't like regular apps because it lacks control over UI and functionality compared to Web apps?

Being open-source is kinda even better in that regard.


Nobody gets promoted for improving web app performance.

Yes, they do. OGs remember that Facebook circa 2012 had navigation take like 5-10 seconds.

Ben Horowitz recalled asking Zuck what his engineer onboarding process was when the latter complained to him about how it took them very long to make changes to code. He basically didn't have any.


From: https://hpbn.co/primer-on-latency-and-bandwidth/#speed-is-a-...

> Faster sites lead to better user engagement.

> Faster sites lead to better user retention.

> Faster sites lead to higher conversions.

If it's true that nobody is getting promoted for improving web app performance, that seems like an opportunity. Build an org that rewards web app performance gains, and (in theory) enjoy more users and more money.


yep. I think this is the root problem, not the frameworks themselves

If it's slow people also stick around for longer if they have something they must accomplish before leaving.

The folks controlling Trump are far more adept plotters and schemers than you give them credit for.

Can you point to any good plots or schemes they’ve pulled off in the past? We’re starting our sixth year with this guy at the helm and so far it’s nothing but a cavalcade of stupid.

Trump is not controlled. He wanted this.

He simply wanted a quick strike, not a war. He thought Iran would capitulate and not take any actions after the strike.

His thinking did not even change. Just read this 2021 article about preventing Trump from starting a war with Iran: https://www.newyorker.com/news/letter-from-bidens-washington... Trump is predictable. What he thought in 2021 was similar to what he thought in February 2026.

> Trump did not want a war, the chairman believed, but he kept pushing for a missile strike in response to various provocations against U.S. interests in the region. Milley, by statute the senior military adviser to the President, was worried that Trump might set in motion a full-scale conflict that was not justified. Trump had a circle of Iran hawks around him and was close with the Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, who was also urging the Administration to act against Iran after it was clear that Trump had lost the election. “If you do this, you’re gonna have a fucking war,” Milley would say.


Whoever convinced him that a strike against 170+ school children wouldn't start a war should be fired and tried for war crimes. Not holding my breath.

[citation needed]

Slightly taken, at best.

Do you use copilot?

First response: It doesn't matter if I use copilot right now. It matters if I will ever use copilot in the future. Opting-out is future-focused. What if I said "no, I don't use copilot, so I don't need to opt out", then a year from now start using copilot, completely forgetting about this whole debacle? That's the evil of opt-out. My inaction only benefits them, never me.

Second response: Maybe? I press the little button to auto-generate commit titles and messages that showed up in my Github Desktop. Does that count?

I'm asking sincerely. I don't "use Copilot" as in using it in VS Code or while writing code, so I'm honestly not sure if I am.


Do we get a choice? I did not ever explicitly enable it yet GitHub's web UI by default uses copilot to autofill my web-based edit commit messages. It also shows up on the home screen by default now.

I'm pretty sure if you use the site you're using GitHub Copilot in some way, so your question becomes irrelevant.


Do you think a single person works on a repo?

Prob because Go Away Green sounds way cooler than all of those and it’s not a user facing term anyways.

And alliteration for extra cool.

You think if mom and pop shop did they same they’d be charged the same?

Probably the best thing is a CB radio. Let them talk to any other kids in town but no chance of weirdness.


> Probably the best thing is a CB radio. Let them talk to any other kids in town but no chance of weirdness.

No chance of weirdness? On CB? Have you used a CB?!?

I had a CB in my car for a while and the majority of the talk I ever heard on it outside of traffic updates and cop reports on major interstate highways was weird shit.


Perhaps. But weirdness in a public space is superior to weirdness in DMs.


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