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The first rule in Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals:

1. Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rules_for_Radicals


Could this be (partially?) explained by Model Collapse [1], i.e. iteratively training on data that includes an ever increasing amount of AI slop?

[1] https://thebullshitmachines.com/lesson-16-the-first-step-fal...


It is.


If the penalty for a crime is a fine, then that law exists only for the lower class

In other words, such a structure would not dissuade bad actors with large financial incentives to push something through a process that grants validity to a hypothesis. A fine isn't going to stop tobacco companies from spamming submissions that say smoking doesn't cause lung cancer or social media companies from spamming submissions that their products aren't detrimental to the mental health.


> In other words, such a structure would not dissuade bad actors with large financial incentives to push something through a process that grants validity to a hypothesis.

That's not the right threat model. The existing peer review process is already weak to high-effort but conflicted research.

Instead, the threat model is closer one closer to that of spam, where the submitting authors don't care about the content of their submission at all but need X publications in high-impact outlets for their CV or grant application. Predatory journals exploit this as part of a pay-to-play problem, but the low reputation of those journals limits their desirable impact factor.

This threat model relies on frequent but low-quality submissions, and a submission fee would make taking multiple kicks at the can unviable.


I'm sure my crude idea has it's shortcomings, but this feels superfluous. Deep-pocketed propagandists can do all sorts of things to pump their message whether a slop tax exists or not. There may or may not be existing countermeasures at journals for that. This just isn't really about that. It's about making sure that, in the process of spamming the journal, they also fund the review process, which would otherwise simply bleed time and money.


Skynet? C'mon. That would be too obvious - like naming a company Palantir.


In a corollary to Sturgeon's Law, I'd propose Altman's Law: "In the Age of AI, 99.999...% of everything is crap"


Altman's Law: 99% of all content is slop

I can get behind this. This assumes a tool will need to be made to help determine the 1% that isn't slop. At which point I assume we will have reinvented web search once more.

Has anyone looked at reviving PageRank?


I mean Kagi is probably the PageRank revival we are talking about.

I have heard from people here that Kagi can help remove slop from searches so I guess yeah.

Although I guess I am DDG user and I love using DDG as well because its free as well but I can see how for some price can be a non issue and they might like kagi more.

So Kagi / DDG (Duckduckgo) yeah.


I’ve been a Kagi subscriber for a while now. Recently picked up ChatGPT Business and now am considering dropping Kagi since I am only using it for trivial searches. Every comparison I’ve done with deep searches by hand and with AI ended up with the same results in far less time using AI.


Does anyone have kept an eye of who uses what back-end?

DDG used to be meta-search on top of Yahoo, which doesn't exist anymore. What do Gabriel and co-workers use now?


I think they all use Bing now.


Kagi is mostly stealing results from Google and disenshittifying them but mixes in other engines like Yandex and Mojeek and Bing.

DDG is Bing.


For images surely this is the next pivot for hot dog / not hot dog.


> It’s entirely possible that my plangent noises about the impossibility of rebelling against an aura that promotes and vitiates all rebellion say more about my residency inside that aura, my own lack of vision, than they do about any exhaustion of U.S. fiction’s possibilities. The next real literary “rebels” in this country might well emerge as some weird bunch of anti-rebels, born oglers who dare somehow to back away from ironic watching, who have the childish gall actually to endorse and instantiate single-entendre principles. Who treat of plain old untrendy human troubles and emotions in U.S. life with reverence and conviction. Who eschew self-consciousness and hip fatigue. These anti-rebels would be outdated, of course, before they even started. Dead on the page. Too sincere. Clearly repressed. Backward, quaint, naïve, anachronistic. Maybe that’ll be the point. Maybe that’s why they’ll be the next real rebels. Real rebels, as far as I can see, risk disapproval. The old postmodern insurgents risked the gasp and squeal: shock, disgust, outrage, censorship, accusations of socialism, anarchism, nihilism. Today’s risks are different. The new rebels might be artists willing to risk the yawn, the rolled eyes, the cool smile, the nudged ribs, the parody of gifted ironists, the “Oh how banal.” To risk accusations of sentimentality, melodrama. Of overcredulity. Of softness. Of willingness to be suckered by a world of lurkers and starers who fear gaze and ridicule above imprisonment without law. Who knows. Today’s most engaged young fiction does seem like some kind of line’s end’s end. I guess that means we all get to draw our own conclusions. Have to. Are you immensely pleased.

- David Foster Wallace, E Unibus Pluram: Television and US Fiction


> In the introduction to Amusing Ourselves to Death, Postman said that the contemporary world was better reflected by Aldous Huxley's Brave New World, whose public was oppressed by their addiction to amusement, rather than by Orwell's work, where they were oppressed by state violence.

And modern America asked itself, why can't it be both?


Drops don't cause waterfalls. Gravity does.


don't worry, because financial ouroboros


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